I disagree.
Hall far outplayed Briscoe last time out in internationals, imo.
Also, i don't see how playing Hall is "relying on the usual formula", Hall has played a couple of games for england and played well, why drop him?
Hall and Charnley on the wings for me.

I think Hall is in the group of a few players who's position isn't up for debate, dead cert

I'm stunned that not everyone has selected Hall & Briscoe as the 2 wingers. The centres are up for debate, but not the wingers, both dead certs for me.

For my starting line-up I'd go with:

Tomkins
Hall
Watkins
Atkins
Briscoe
Widdop
Brough
Graham
Roby
Peacock
Ellis
Westwood
Burgess

Burrow
Mossop
Crabtree
JJB

and then I would have these guys making up the rest of the squad:

Patrick
Houghton
O'Loughlin
Reed
Charnley
Cudjoe

This, it totally depends on how the team sets up as to whether O'loughlin or Sinfield get the nod, both have aspects to their game which offer different things. For me it does purely depends on Englands Game plan. And as for selections, we finally do have some competition for places which is great to see, to think it wasn't that long ago when we were forced to play the likes of Sykes in the team. I still don't think we can beat the Aussie's yet, but we will give them a far better game than in the past. We have some genuine power and pace in the back line which we've not had for many years. And we do now have the options to rotate in if someone has a stinker, another thing we've lacked when we've been forced to play the same team week in week out in tournaments.

Why are you looking to the past? Surely you pick your International team on form?

The form English scrum-half is Danny Brough, so you pick him.

My team at this stage would be

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Josh Charnley
3. Jack Reed
4. Kallum Watkins
5. Ryan Hall
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Danny Brough
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Sam Burgess
11. Ben Westwood
12. Gareth Ellis
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Lee Mossop
15. Eorl Crabtree
16. Gareth Hock
17. Kevin Sinfield

Briscoe isn't fast enough or good enough in defence and it's been made pretty clear the last few times he's played for England. Charnley is a better player.

Agreed, he has been outplayed in every game against Australia and was shocking in the 4 Nations final.

I would go:

Tomkins
Hall Reed Watkins Charnley
Widdop Brough
Burgess Roby Graham
Westwood JJB
Ellis

Crabtree, Hock, Burrow, Mossop

We are playing international dross this year so we dont need to play the likes of sinfield, jp and mozza and should be trying out some other players

Are you basing the fact hes not fast enough on him being caught by Mannering whilst carrying an injury?

In what way is Charnley better than Briscoe. This is a genuine question because admittedly I havnt seen too much of Wigan this year but from what I have seen I am yet to be convinced that he is anything other than a glorified Ade Gardner. By that I mean a solid winger who is given bags of chances and made to look good by his team mates

1. Tomkins
2. Hall
3. Reed
4. Atkins
5. Briscoe
6. Widdop
7. Brough
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Peacock
11. Ellis
12. Burgess
13. O'Loughlin

14. Houghton
15. Lynch
16. Westwood
17. Mossop

No, I'm basing it on every time I see him play he gets run down by numerous opposition players.



Charnley is bigger, faster, a better defender and a good finisher - Briscoe is only a good finisher.

Tomkins
Hall
Watkins
Reed
Charnley
Chase
Brough
Graham
Roby
Peacock
Westwood
Ellis
O'Loughlin

Burrow
Mossop
S. Burgess
Hock

I actually picked Briscoe over Charnley but that is an insult to the lad. Were you watching the cup QF and SF last year? Ade Gardner would not have scored either of those! Neither would Ryan Hall!

You have to be kidding, he's awful. Charnley is an out and out finisher, that is his game, Briscoe is a totally different player, depends what type of player you want in your squad.

Because Charnley is a better player perhaps?

Briscoe is so slow Ryan Hall caught him no bother Saturday chasing him down didn't he. Oh wait...

There is no doubt Briscoe is bigger than Charnley, and his ability to create a chance of his own from nothing isn't something any other English winger has.

Best team I have seen so far, although I would have another hooker instead of Sinfield, either Houghton or Mcllorum.

Briscoe and Charnley is pretty even IMO, Charley has been better this year so shoudl get the nod if the team is picked tomorrow, although Charnley has an advantage of playing for a better side.

It probably is a bit insulting tbh because Charnley is clearly a good player, but I guess what I'm getting at is that Briscoe has become an England international whilst living off scraps in a poor Hull team. Charnley on the other hand plays for the best team in the league and Wigan give their wingers plenty of chances to shine due to their quality in the middle.

If their roles had been reversed and Charnley had spent the last couple of years at Hull whilst Briscoe had come through Wigans academy would Charnley even be considered?

Whilst you are all discussing Charnley vs Briscoe the OPTA stats put [size=200LUKE GEORGE [/sizeahead of both

I've just seen both of them and fair enough, two really good finishes, good step to beat Hodgson. Gardner wouldnt have scored them, Hall might have done.

The thing is you can give me 2 examples of Charnley's individual brilliance. I could probably pick out 10 of Briscoes that are as good or better.

I would argue that he isn't a good a finisher, and Brisc is extremely strong so size doesn't matter to him.

The question is, can Danny Brough actually perform after June this year?

Since we're not playing Aus/NZ this year (not sure about the latter though) I would be tempted to try various combinations of players to see what works out. Of course, a year is a long time in RL, and the players we think are deserving of selection this year could be very different by the time of the World Cup.

Gardner would not have scored that! Briscoe and Charnley are the only two which would have scored that. They are both similar players but I think Briscoe edges it on D and Charnley is a stronger bigger runner of the ball.

Maybe you could pick out some that look better, but to do it in local derbies in the biggest games of the season as the deciding try... it takes some doing, especially against the kind of defence you come up against in a close cup game. He tore them to shreds.

That Briscoe try against Leeds was awesome but the defending was terrible from Ryan Hall. I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt on this occasion as I don't often see that from him, but he can't afford to be so lazy against the aussies.