Hindamarsh 80 minutes

Graham 66 minutes


Graham had more receives and carries admittedly for 9 metres less. 0 errors to Hindmarsh's 1. 0 penalties to Hindamarsh's 1.

Though the official stats state that Graham made 51 tackles unless there is some glitch.

live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match12960.html

Stats are funny. Almost every one of them would suggest that Penrith would have won. Bar the actual score.

Hindamarsh 80 minutes

Graham 66 minutes


Graham had more receives and carries admittedly for 9 metres less. 0 errors to Hindmarsh's 1. 0 penalties to Hindamarsh's 1.

Though the official stats state that Graham made 51 tackles unless there is some glitch.

live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match12960.html

Stats are funny. Almost every one of them would suggest that Penrith would have won. Bar the actual score.

I don't understand where this "Australians can't accept English players are good" line of thinking comes from, if anything it's the exact opposite. English players in Australia are given added spotlight and championed, because the NRL sees having a competition of multi-ethnic, multi-nationality players as a great thing.

wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8432400

www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 1unbi.html

That's 2 articles written today. And everything that's been said about English players by pundits and fans alike has been positive. If anything some players are getting a free ride because they're English(Burgess, who has been disappointing so far).

There's a big difference between Australians thinking SL is of quality-which it is-and Australians being so arrogant they can't accept we have good players, which is a whole other topic.

If anything the chips on shoulders seem to be more from SL fans who are salty that Australians view the comp as sub-standard - because it is.

I don't understand where this "Australians can't accept English players are good" line of thinking comes from, if anything it's the exact opposite. English players in Australia are given added spotlight and championed, because the NRL sees having a competition of multi-ethnic, multi-nationality players as a great thing.

wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8432400

www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 1unbi.html

That's 2 articles written today. And everything that's been said about English players by pundits and fans alike has been positive. If anything some players are getting a free ride because they're English(Burgess, who has been disappointing so far).

There's a big difference between Australians thinking SL is of quality-which it is-and Australians being so arrogant they can't accept we have good players, which is a whole other topic.

If anything the chips on shoulders seem to be more from SL fans who are salty that Australians view the comp as sub-standard - because it is.

Good post - nail on the head.

The levels of insecurity displayed by devoted fans of Super League results in desperate overreactions and ludicrously overblown chip-on-shoulder statements like "Ellis/Burgess/Graham ripping it up in the NRL"... "WCC results prove SL is as good if not better than the NRL"... "Top 5 or 6 SL clubs would easily compete among top NRL teams"... etc. This level of insecurity is also displayed over other issues like the amount of national press coverage demanded as if it ought to be a right, despite the professional game here being played almost exclusively within a small area of northern England closely situated to the M62.

Of course we have some players (not all) who are capable of cutting it in the NRL given time to adapt. Ellis is a solid player in the NRL doing a solid job. He is not ripping it up by any stretch of anyone's imagination. Burgess is a quality player in the NRL when he's not sidelined with injury and actually playing. Graham will be solid, work his guts off and do a fine job.

Our problem is that Super League isn't all it's cracked up to be. It's uncompetitive, lacks intensity and skill levels for the most part and we already know for definite which teams will finish in the Top 5 or 6. Warrington, Saints, Leeds, Wigan for definite - Catalan and Huddersfield highly likely too. The rest of the clubs are a waste of space just making up the numbers. If Super League was that great it wouldn't be propped up with 100 overseas players - most of whom failed to cut it in the NRL to any significant degree - nor would it be handing out Man of Steel awards to the likes of Brett Hodgson, Pat Richards and Rangi Chase.

Good post - nail on the head.

The levels of insecurity displayed by devoted fans of Super League results in desperate overreactions and ludicrously overblown chip-on-shoulder statements like "Ellis/Burgess/Graham ripping it up in the NRL"... "WCC results prove SL is as good if not better than the NRL"... "Top 5 or 6 SL clubs would easily compete among top NRL teams"... etc. This level of insecurity is also displayed over other issues like the amount of national press coverage demanded as if it ought to be a right, despite the professional game here being played almost exclusively within a small area of northern England closely situated to the M62.

Of course we have some players (not all) who are capable of cutting it in the NRL given time to adapt. Ellis is a solid player in the NRL doing a solid job. He is not ripping it up by any stretch of anyone's imagination. Burgess is a quality player in the NRL when he's not sidelined with injury and actually playing. Graham will be solid, work his guts off and do a fine job.

Our problem is that Super League isn't all it's cracked up to be. It's uncompetitive, lacks intensity and skill levels for the most part and we already know for definite which teams will finish in the Top 5 or 6. Warrington, Saints, Leeds, Wigan for definite - Catalan and Huddersfield highly likely too. The rest of the clubs are a waste of space just making up the numbers. If Super League was that great it wouldn't be propped up with 100 overseas players - most of whom failed to cut it in the NRL to any significant degree - nor would it be handing out Man of Steel awards to the likes of Brett Hodgson, Pat Richards and Rangi Chase.

Exactly. And if you watch the Channel Nein commentary in particular they fawn all over the poms - especially Burgess. But they tend to do that with all the players that they have on the Footy Show etc. But what you have to remember is that poms have the world's biggest chip on their shoulder and it is actually they who can't admit that Australians aren't as obsessed about whether poms are good or not as poms are about it. The NRL is a meritocracy and it doesn't matter where you come from, which club you play for etc. But it suits the chip mentality to think that Aussies go out of their way to run down pommy players here, which is complete nonsense. If anything the opposite is true.

Exactly. And if you watch the Channel Nein commentary in particular they fawn all over the poms - especially Burgess. But they tend to do that with all the players that they have on the Footy Show etc. But what you have to remember is that poms have the world's biggest chip on their shoulder and it is actually they who can't admit that Australians aren't as obsessed about whether poms are good or not as poms are about it. The NRL is a meritocracy and it doesn't matter where you come from, which club you play for etc. But it suits the chip mentality to think that Aussies go out of their way to run down pommy players here, which is complete nonsense. If anything the opposite is true.