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| Quote ="Meefy"Could be though it doesn't say it was a current player, could be say Kieron Cunningham. I know he was strongly linked with the WRU at some point.'"
Could it be Pat Richards. He had an offer from Sale Sharks.
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| Not sure about singling out any 1 team. I would be more surprised if there were not atleast 4 teams bending the rules slightly.
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| Quote ="cadoo"I know Wigan were after Ratchford, Carvell and Paul Wood from Warrington.'"
I don't doubt that other clubs want players that we are signing too, we are going for top British talent, so I'd be stunned if there was no other interest tbh.
The fact is that the offers that clubs make may be very different, and this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with cheating. Wigan may have had less cap to be able to offer to the likes of Carvell and Ratchford at the times of their signings. Wigan may simply not have valued these players as high as what Wire do. Wire have an ageing squad and are needing to bring in younger talent, so this may be our priority which makes us more aggressive in our pursuit of the likes of Ratchford, Myler and Atkins.
There are an endless number of reasons why players sign for one club over another, it is nonsense to simply put it down to cheating.
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| I think we should all just stick to the default setting in these situations and blame it all on Wigan. Thats what im choosing to believe and i cant be wrong, its my birthday
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| I just hope that when they finally uncover some proof of salary cap rorting, that the RFL punish the club as severely as Melbourne were by the NRL.
But I suspect they'll just paper over the cracks like they have done previously.
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| No doubt Senior's explanations to anyone who asks will have the same level of detail and naming names as Paul Cullen's allegations of a widespread drug culture in rugby league did last year.
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| Quote ="Dave T"I don't doubt that other clubs want players that we are signing too, we are going for top British talent, so I'd be stunned if there was no other interest tbh.
The fact is that the offers that clubs make may be very different, and this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with cheating. Wigan may have had less cap to be able to offer to the likes of Carvell and Ratchford at the times of their signings. Wigan may simply not have valued these players as high as what Wire do. Wire have an ageing squad and are needing to bring in younger talent, so this may be our priority which makes us more aggressive in our pursuit of the likes of Ratchford, Myler and Atkins.
There are an endless number of reasons why players sign for one club over another, it is nonsense to simply put it down to cheating.'"
The fact is, Warrington are appearing to repeatedly outbid other clubs for players, and unveiling marquee signing after marquee signing. Warrington even snaffled up the Monaghan brother with the 'exotic' sexual tastes when he suddenly became available at the 11th hour, when surely all the cap room had been spoken for. Salford reportedly offered Myler a record deal, but Warrington still trumped it (and despite interest from top clubs)
I can understand the argument for players prefering to go to established big clubs like Wigan, Saints or Leeds, where they may be prepared to accept a lower salary for the honour of playing at a big club. But Warrington have had to try and grow from a humble status in the wider game, being perennial also-rans and frequently relegation-fodder. Look at Man City in football. In order to elbow their way onto the top table, they've had to pay premium wages to attract players.
Something smells dodgy, and it isn't just the Mersey.
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| Quote ="Webbo"The fact is, Warrington are appearing to repeatedly outbid other clubs for players, and unveiling marquee signing after marquee signing. Warrington even snaffled up the Monaghan brother with the 'exotic' sexual tastes when he suddenly became available at the 11th hour, when surely all the cap room had been spoken for. Salford reportedly offered Myler a record deal, but Warrington still trumped it (and despite interest from top clubs)
I can understand the argument for players prefering to go to established big clubs like Wigan, Saints or Leeds, where they may be prepared to accept a lower salary for the honour of playing at a big club. But Warrington have had to try and grow from a humble status in the wider game, being perennial also-rans and frequently relegation-fodder. Look at Man City in football. In order to elbow their way onto the top table, they've had to pay premium wages to attract players.
Something smells dodgy, and it isn't just the Mersey.'"
The Monaghan's brother's image rights were sold by his agent to the Canine Defence League for megabucks, so he was able to play for the club for just expenses...
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| Quote ="Adeybull"The Monaghan's brother's image rights were sold by his agent to the Canine Defence League for megabucks, so he was able to play for the club for just expenses...'"
A guy's got to keep himself in Pedigree Dentastix somehow...
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I just hope that when they finally uncover some proof of salary cap rorting, that the RFL punish the club as severely as Melbourne were by the NRL.
But I suspect they'll just paper over the cracks like they have done previously.'"
Was thinking the same thing. If it's Wigan it's a 2nd offence.
They should be banned from the CC too.
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| Quote ="Webbo"The fact is, Warrington are appearing to repeatedly outbid other clubs for players, and unveiling marquee signing after marquee signing.'"
There have been no other clubs willing to compete with Warrington in the TRANSFER market eg transfer fees that don't count on the cap, for the players they have signed. When there was Ellis went to Leeds and Westerman went to Hull but lets ignore those. Think back to Carvell and St Helens saying they wouldn't pay a transfer fee but would take him for nothing - I wonder why Hull never let him negotiate a move to Saints.
Quote ="Webbo"Warrington even snaffled up the Monaghan brother with the 'exotic' sexual tastes when he suddenly became available at the 11th hour, when surely all the cap room had been spoken for.'"
You haven't heard of Chris Hicks have you. Given the timing and circumstances of Monaghan's availability it would suggest Warrington got him at below market value.
Quote ="Webbo"Salford reportedly offered Myler a record deal, but Warrington still trumped it (and despite interest from top clubs).'"
Salford record deal = a pittance. Myler had 12 months left at Salford and Warrington offered a transfer fee that no other club would match and therefore the negotiations with Myler were not done in competition (not like say Shenton or McCarthy-Scarsbrook who being out of contract can tout themselves about and start a Dutch auction for their services). Pay a transfer and you will get a good deal on the salary, wait for a "Bosman" and the player will get the good deal.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I just hope that when they finally uncover some proof of salary cap rorting, that the RFL punish the club as severely as Melbourne were by the NRL.
But I suspect they'll just paper over the cracks like they have done previously.'"
Like there's any actual evidence.
"Player with story to sell makes outlandish claims he can't back up and then refuses to substantiate them" shocker.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Like there's any actual evidence.
"Player with story to sell makes outlandish claims he can't back up and then refuses to substantiate them" shocker.'"
There is no evidence yet. Hence the 'when'. There is no doubt that SL clubs are cheating the cap. It's just too easy to do.
I suspect we'll see a lot more revelations as the salary cap era players all start to retire. The RFL as usual will stick their fingers in their ears and ignore it.
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| Back to the initial player, wasn't Kev Sinfield linked heavily with RU until committing to Leeds for a while? He'd fit the whole "high profile internatonal" description.
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| Quote ="inside_man"Back to the initial player, wasn't Kev Sinfield linked heavily with RU until committing to Leeds for a while? He'd fit the whole "high profile internatonal" description.'"
Sorry, You must have Leeds confused with a team that has to cheat to win things.. like Melbourne.
Secondly if you are serious in that comment then you can't have heard Sinfield's GF victory speech of 2009.. or at least you have severe issues surrounding trust and believing people.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"There is no doubt that SL clubs are cheating the cap. It's just too easy to do.'"
Seems as above you are denying allegating that it is Warrington who do you believe is considering using your own words "there is no doubt"?
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| Salary cap is a load of tosh anyway. It didn't stop Wakefield or Crusaders from going bust and Quins without their chairman would have gone pop ages back. Any club that isn't financially viable should be got rid of. We would then end up with a smaller SL, with more competitive games and the cash pot from Sky would allow our top players to be better paid. Having said that, Senior does appear to have brought the game into disrepute and should be taken to task.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Seems as above you are denying allegating that it is Warrington who do you believe is considering using your own words "there is no doubt"?'"
Anybody who is spending full cap to some extent IMO
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| Quote ="LeedsDave"Secondly if you are serious in that comment then you can't have heard Sinfield's GF victory speech of 2009.. or at least you have severe issues surrounding trust and believing people.'"
Wouldn't it be nice to live in a world where you could believe that people didn't do things simply on the basis that they told you they didn't?
Senior should be in a room right now with an RFL appointed independent investigating officer, expanding on his whistleblowing allegations of widespread cheating within the game; an HMRC official should be waiting outside for his turn, with maybe a couple of rozzers having a look at some potential fraud. In the meantime, Senior should be suspended from any RL activities, to protect him and the other parties involved.
What will really happen? The RFL will brush it under the carpet and Senior will retire in the off-season with his pension pot wedged up by book sales and payments from newspapers; meanwhile, the cheating of the salary cap by 4 or 5 wealthy clubs will continue unabated.
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| I think bren2k just made it onto my Christmas card list.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Like there's any actual evidence.
"Player with story to sell makes outlandish claims he can't back up and then refuses to substantiate them" shocker.'"
People have been sent to death row in the states with less evidence.
The RFL should investigate.
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| Quote ="Webbo"when surely all the cap room had been spoken for.'"
Chris Hicks had been signed for the following season, he suddenly "changed his mind", Monaghan filled that gap and, I would assume, took that salary quota, too.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"I think bren2k just made it onto my Christmas card list.'"
Cheers - slip a few tenners in it, or better still, take my Mrs on as an 'administrator.'
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| Quote ="bren2k"an HMRC official should be waiting outside for his turn, with maybe a couple of rozzers having a look at some potential fraud. '"
There's nothing to stop you bringing it to the attention of the authorities if you feel that strongly about it.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Seems as above you are denying allegating that it is Warrington who do you believe is considering using your own words "there is no doubt"?'"
I'd no doubt be banned for posting names, but I think we all know examples of clubs who have previously shown a willingness to cheat to gain an advantage.
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