And clubs who didnt, couldnt compete. The SL salary cap is more than 5 times the championship. How were clubs supposed to sign the best sponsorship deals, or the best players when they were only likely to see 1 year of SL rugby?

P+R led us to the ridiculous situation where Wakefield were putting out teams with 12 overseas players and struggling to bring through any youngsters because their only objective could ever be avoiding relegation.

The idea that either I or the RFL would like to see Wakefield relegated because there is no P+R or because other clubs struggled to bridge the gap is simply laughable nonsense which you have made up

I was at the evening and know exactly what was said, why it was said and how it was said!

Andrew Glover has stated that he wishes to move the club into position where the business model provides enough financial support to sustain the club without the need for further investment from individuals. To do that will perhaps take a number of years. In the meantime Andrew Glover has confirmed that he has the financial wherewithal and is willing to invest enough money in the club to allow John Kear to spend the full salary cap while at the same time improving all aspects of the club in the quest to make it self-sustaining. It was that statement that prompted a question from the supporters to which James Elston made a quick calculation regarding how big the attendances would need to be for the club to become self-sufficient.

That's interesting because Neville Smith who has been the director of super league's live broadcasts for about 20 years argues that that is a complete fallacy.

I doubt he would be involved in discussions between the RFL/IMG and (was) Vic Wakeling and (will be) Barney Francis

And now we have at least on side in SL that could turn out that many without the threat of relegation, thats working then eh.

Coming from someone who's done this for years on here whats the problem?

Are you really wanting to pretend the situations are the same? If so im sure you can find somebody who suffers fools better than I do to explain the very obvious differences to you.

Listen you fool, you said 12 for Wakey and i said another team team with 12.


Now both those 12's look the same, the only difference is Wakey and thats all you need, fool.

By bringing together the board of investors who are prepared to underwrite the costs of reaching and sustaining a place in super league in the same way that the much maligned Ted Richardson had to do for the first two years of Wakefield Trinity's stay in super league, by methodically building the revenue streams that support the club and doing so on solid foundations, by employing quality people to carry out essential roles within the organisation such as marketing, community work and junior development, by attracting sponsors will share in the vision of seeing the club compete in the highest division our sport has to offer, in short by employing long-term sustainable strategies which build the club from the bottom up, which are adaptable and sustainable and to which everyone is committed to a long-term.



That is one of your most ill informed and ignorant statements of recent times.
The relaxation of the overseas quota, EU employment law, the development of the KOLPAK ruling and the relaxation of the exemption rules are what lead to a number of clubs recruiting far too many overseas players.
Your suggestion that Wakefield Trinity did not develop their own juniors during that time is simply moronic! Unfortunately for Wakefield they do not have the financial strength to hold off larger predator clubs like Wigan, Melbourne, Leeds, Warrington even a Ken Davey financed Huddersfield. Stripped of their home developed talent Wakefield had little choice but to sign overseas players in order to compete against relegation but this was a symptom not a cause.



OH! I'm another poster making things up, change the record, if you can't understand the statement or are incapable of formulating an answer just say so!

All the same, I'll accept his informed oppinion of the situation over your guess!

clearly you do need somebody to explain the very obvious difference between Wakefield and Crusaders.

:123v9934But it didnt happen did it Wakefield didnt do it. In fact no club did. Why make something much much more difficult for no real benefit.
:123v9934No, clubs employed overseas players because they saw it as an easy short-term option to help them avoid relegation. There is a reason for the correlation between the bigger clubs having fewer overseas players and the lesser clubs having more.
:123v9934Absolute balls. Wakefield did not have the financial strength precisely because they couldnt put long term strategies in place because every season their main and only priority was to avoid relegation.

no, if it is just a factual untruth which you have made up, i dont need to argue against it. Just point out that it is a factual untruth which you have made up.

Waste of time. Wakefield have no idea where they are playing next year let alone what league.

Absolute rubbish. The club have already indicated that whatever league there in, next season will be at Belle Vue

Oh, has the birthplace of Rugby League, FINALLY done something worthwhile, like win a few games or something?

1326 likes so far, thats more than the combined number of Salford and London fans

I'm not going to analy argue every point that you make, it's clear you haven't got a clue what you are talking about and have no experience in sports administration particularly at the amateur/semipro level and more importantly within a full-time professional environment.

The only point I will make is that Wakefield lost Ben Westwood to Warrington, Gareth Ellis to Leeds, Keith Mason to the Melbourne storm, Frances Stevenson to Wigan, David March to Huddersfield plus Wayne McDonald along with a number of other juniors.

In Wakefield's first season in super league the Academy team came close runners-up in both the league and grand final to the Leeds team that contained the likes of Rob Burrow, Danny McGuire, Mark Calderwood and Ryan Bailey just to name a few.

Around the same time Wakefield Trinity's team consisted of a number of home-grown players such as Graham and Martin Law, David March, Mark Applegarth, Rob Spicer, Martin Holland, Paul Handforth, Steve Snitch, Tommy Haughey, Chris Feather, Kevin King, etc etc. The club continues to operate a very effective and productive junior system to suggest as you have that Wakefield has not always done this is just ignorant.

I have read that very same post 3 times on RLfans, seems the records stuck on an un informed poster.

QFT from Quins board.

Where have the club indicated this out of interest? I was of the understanding that this was their last year at Belle Vue as they had sold it and development started on that site after the season is over? When did this change (or was this ever true?).

Don't know where you got all that from!

Wakey can't sell BV - the last owner did that already! (Very shady, tabboo subject it seems).

There is also a covenent stating that BV can not be developed until a compensatory facility is built i.e. until a new ground is done BV must remain a sports ground (this seems to be the basis of Wakey getting a good rent deal to remain there - without them the land is worthless).

As dboy said. Plus the club have indicated some temporary stands would be installed with cover if we remained in SL. Obviously the hope is the PI for newmarket goes well, and then we go there (although clearly there are no guarantees)

wow

its so funny to watch the argument on Trinity inner workings between a random person and the person who was the commercial manager at trinity for a number of years and is now heavily involved in the club again...







fwiw this thread should say...

if you feel moved to suppoort the motion to keep trinity in superleague pleae feel free to click the linki and join the campaign... if not then thanks for reading the request.

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