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| Quote ="☺East-Sard☺"I find it staggering that Agar is still in charge tbf.
Hull have everything going for them off the pitch - good steady crowds/ground/history/income/youth set up, all in a City where RL has it's highest profile its had in quite a while. Whilst on the pitch it seems they've almost settled for second best, [so long as the off the pitch performance remains strong.'"
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| I'm not going to attend a home game until he's gone, I'll still go to away games though, our problem is the board are quick to remind of us of our grade A licence, one of a few SL teams making a profit, big shirts sales and big sponsorship deals etc. All of this is in spite of three poor seasons, I just feel the board don't feel they have to strive for a successful team on the field, as the revenue will keep coming in.
After the very harsh sackings of Kear (Challenge cup win, first play off win in the Sl era in his first and only full season) and Sharpe (Grand Final and then a fourth place finish) we were all underwhelmed at the appointment of Agar but he was young British and is a nice bloke, the fans gave him a chance, since his appointment though we have performed poorly throughout,.
In 2008 we were poor, although that was blamed on Sharps previous decisions, fair enough really he needed the benefit of the doubt. In 2009 we were simply terrible, awful in every way, the board said it wasn't Agars team and he needed time to re build, again fair enough although Kear and Sharp were not allowed this time. After big recruitment in 2010 we saw a slight improvement, although we were still average at best, we lost every game we needed to win when it mattered, the board told us we were only 80 mins away from a fourth place finish and with a steady side 2011 we would really kick on and challenge again. After a poor start the board are still saying he will turn it around, bearing in mind he has had three years, two assistants have left under him, brought in numerous players and even spent transfer fees he has failed miserably, being a big family friend of Kath Hetherington makes him untouchable though.
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| Maybe Quins could do you a favour on Sunday...
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| On a more positive note Richard Agar has just finished in the top ten of a poll conducted on the HulL KR forum.
He just keeps on achieving.
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| Quote ="The Curtism"Maybe Quins could do you a favour on Sunday...'"
That's what angers us, the board have said they will not sack Agar, results and performances however bad are not relevant, Kath would lose too much face sacking her friend, the only way they will be forced into sacking him is if they think attendences will drop low enough, and with a quite a few people maybe willing to boycott hopefully the message might get through.
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| Quote ="jordanp"That's what angers us, the board have said they will not sack Agar, results and performances however bad are not relevant, Kath would lose too much face sacking her friend, the only way they will be forced into sacking him is if they think attendences will drop low enough, and with a quite a few people maybe willing to boycott hopefully the message might get through.'"
Which is why I aren't going anymore until he's gone. As a club, the fans do have some say. But the club officials are ignoring the fans strong feelings here. It's OK for them, they don't have to pay their own money to watch this dross every week.
I cannot continue to support the direction of this club under Agar. He's had long enough. I'm fed up of this jobs for boys mentality of employing people at the club. It's getting us nowhere. A major overhaul is needed, or this club is going to go into the ground.
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| It appears that the fans will have to vote with their feet.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"=#FF0000Hull FC should be up there with the big boys, their ground is the best in the game, their fan base is superb, however, once again, it looks like another season is ebbing away.
As an outsider looking in, there appears to be a fundamental problem with the BOD, it’s they who employ the Coach & players.
Some of their recruitment baffles me. Why go for a player that’s near the end of a glittering career, done it all, with the injuries finally catching up with him, when I’m sure they could have picked up a class Scrum Half from either SL or the NRL for similar money?
They should be looking at the Wigan model, superb local production line, with class quota players.
It must be very frustrating watching a club with so much potential, failing so often.
But, there is a silver lining, at least they don’t have the tribulations of being a Wakey fan.'"
They were poor last year so its no surprise that they are also poor this year. Renting a football stadium and being based in a city (and so having a big catchment area to attract fans from) doesnt automatically mean they are a big club
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| Quote ="jonnythewire"They were poor last year so its no surprise that they are also poor this year. Renting a football stadium and being based in a city (and so having a big catchment area to attract fans from) doesnt automatically mean they are a big club'"
No, but because of Hulls history, our average attendences, big revenue from shirt sales and merchandise, big sponsorship deal, good facilities, good youth set up, making a self sufficent profit, all of these despite having a rival in the city it's safe to say only an idiot would say it isn't a big club, as a general set up off the field I'd say only bettered by Leeds and Wigan.
There are shortcomings in the squad, but there are also some very good players, the biggest reason why we are not competing with the big boys is Agar in my opinion, that and maybe a few questionable recruitment decisions (Long being one) and although Agar may not be fully responsible in that department he will have an input, it would take a good argument to say that everything isn't set up for Hull to challenge for trophies.
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| Quote ="jonnythewire"They were poor last year so its no surprise that they are also poor this year. Renting a football stadium and being based in a city (and so having a big catchment area to attract fans from) doesnt automatically mean they are a big club'"
They were inconsistent last year, not necessarily poor (we were one game off the top four, so can't have been that bad!).
And if you think that people think Hull are a big club because of the stadium (which doesn't belong to the football club) and because they're based in a city, then you're either an idiot or purposely trying to talk down the size of the club because you're envious.
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| Quote ="jordanp"No, but because of Hulls history, our average attendences, big revenue from shirt sales and merchandise, big sponsorship deal, good facilities, good youth set up, making a self sufficent profit, all of these despite having a rival in the city it's safe to say only an idiot would say it isn't a big club, as a general set up off the field I'd say only bettered by Leeds and Wigan.
There are shortcomings in the squad, but there are also some very good players, the biggest reason why we are not competing with the big boys is Agar in my opinion, that and maybe a few questionable recruitment decisions (Long being one) and although Agar may not be fully responsible in that department he will have an input, it would take a good argument to say that everything isn't set up for Hull to challenge for trophies.'"
I wouldn't call Long a questionable recruitment decision to be honest. Like those around him, there is only so much you can do in a poor set-up. Andrew Johns in his prime would probably fail at Hull at the moment. There is just that much wrong to do with on the pitch.
A great coach with a team full of average players will on most occasions beat a crap coach with a team full of superstars IMO. Under a poor coach, the superstars won't be superstars for long!
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| I thought taking a big club and turning them into a ragtag bunch of no-hopers normally gets you the England job.
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| It was when the England job was up for grabs that the Hull BOD and no doubt their CEO decided to award Agar another two year contract. Of course he accepted!
Said it before, it's not Agar that should go first but the BOD and CEO. It is those who appointed Agar in the first place and then renewed his contract that need to go.
The HullFC owners need to put in place good decision makers.
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| Quote ="Shaggoth"I thought taking a big club and turning them into a ragtag bunch of no-hopers normally gets you the England job.'"
Like that and some Hull fans want him at the KC
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| Quote ="The Curtism"It appears that the fans will have to vote with their feet.'"
They are and the sad thing is , It's people that have been going for a very long time
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"I wouldn't call Long a questionable recruitment decision to be honest. Like those around him, there is only so much you can do in a poor set-up. Andrew Johns in his prime would probably fail at Hull at the moment. There is just that much wrong to do with on the pitch.
A great coach with a team full of average players will on most occasions beat a crap coach with a team full of superstars IMO. =#BF0000Under a poor coach, the superstars won't be superstars for long!'"
Which means they were never "superstars" in the beginning!!!
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"They should be looking at the Wigan model, superb local production line, with class quota players.
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You mean the Leeds model, copied by St Helens and then in turn, copied by Wigan 25 years later when they realised Aussie journeymen nearly get you relegated?
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"Which means they were never "superstars" in the beginning!!!'"
How does it?
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| Quote ="Katie.Smithson"You mean the Leeds model, copied by St Helens and then in turn, copied by Wigan 25 years later when they realised Aussie journeymen nearly get you relegated?'"
Wigan v Manly - 1987 WCC Final.
16 British players in the team of 17.
7 of which came through the Wigan Academy system
An additional 2 were Wiganers who came back to play for their hometown club.
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| Quote ="jonnythewire"They were poor last year so its no surprise that they are also poor this year. Renting a football stadium and being based in a city (and so having a big catchment area to attract fans from) doesnt automatically mean they are a big club'"
Neither does having a rich owner
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