and ?

So you are saying that the actual name of the club would decide if you wanted to watch them ? Amazing , if they changed their name to ' Richmond ' their gates would increase ?

What you are suggesting is ' if they owned their own stadium in a large town , small city with no other sports being played in it or near it they might be able to get better crowds , no sh.t Sherlock , so where should they move to ?

..and it was small as it always is in London.......

But lose London and you lose a large % of your Sky money which keeps the game afloat, hence why the RFL are so keen to keep it going


And we are 2 from 2 and 3rd in the league!!

As the nothern clubs have shown "Aussie aussie aussie more more more"

The problem I see is that I know folk who live in the middle of London and are Union fans. They won't go to watch the Union side play because The Stoop is awkward to get to. If the Union lot won't go, what chance does RL have?

Then surely the club should declare the real attendance and celebrate the fact that their promotion worked.

No, where have I said that? It is a factor though, it's obviously going to hamper their marketing, any casual or uneducated people who saw any mention of 'Harlequins' would associate it with Union, it's not a marketable brand.

I don't know where they should move to. There is a clear need to move though if there is any possibility of it. They got better crowd as London Broncos despite being completely Australian-oriented, I think if the current club was still at Griffin Park rather than the Stoop then crowds would be a heck of a lot better than they currently are.

And this is who's fault exactly ?

Mine , Leigh fans , Fax fans , Barrow maybe ?

Why didn't they market themselves ?

and pay the tax on money that hasnt materialised- got it

Make no mistake the crowd was significantly bigger than 1700-take my word for it.

I dont doubt RL has always been a northern sport. For a long time it was run by the most backwards parochial fools you could wish for. And they almost killed the game.

That isnt however an argument to say it always will be.

Quins RU manage to get 15000 to find it for league games and Eng RU 80000 to find it-there is a station 10 mins walk away

You don't pay tax on attendance figures , you pay it on the money you receive

If that was 1700 then they have been lying about the crowds for the last 2 years

It's the fault of the people who were in charge, who for some reason thought they would get better results if they marketed to the small minority of Australian ex-pats rather than actual Londoners. Why do you think I would ever want to blame Championship clubs, why are you so eager to label me as someone who is against the Championships?

Then they are incredibly stupid

Lots of excuses , watch out , Smokey will be along in a minute to tell you that having crap management is a reason for not being in SL

Maybe because that is what I see when I read your posts

Im sorry if it seemed is was picking the Quins out but celtic and catalan also imo have harmed the progress of good rugby league towns getting in to super league.

Let's be honest, these so called points you need to gain a place in super league are a joke, when teams like Quins, celtic and catalan make super league and widnes, halifax, leigh, fev and barrow can't.

It's not as if Quins and celtic have been great off the field either.

Like WQ, I have watched pretty much all Quins RL home games, and frankly there have been higher announced crowds that I feel were a lot lower then todays. I struggle to accept the figures but there we go. Regardless, our crowds are painfully low and I suggest that there aren't many Quins RL fans who think to the contrary. What I know is that the last two seasons have kicked the guts out of even the loyalist fan like me - rubbish and boring rugby, losing at home week in and out, financial concerns, absolutely nothing positive coming out of the club - totally soul destroying and I was seriously considering not renewing my ST but I did. I am not convinced the location is an issue, any more than a losing side, lack of marketing, etc.

had it being uniformly crap then yes, Fact is, part of it has been outstanding, part of that management has been excellent and has achieved far beyond what heartland teams have achieved.

Attendances are one part of the puzzle.

Coming from a Quins team up until recent seasons didn't have one single english player!

So Quins haven't brought through quality youth players? McCarthy-Scarsbrook (England international), Tony Clubb (England international), Will Sharp, and others...
Your crowds have gone up? I think you need to have a look at the stats before making comments. Since you got promoted in 2008, your average has fallen each season. From 7,501 to 6,616, and yesterdays local derby 5,992.

Step away and think about what you're posting.

The more tripe you spout, the bigger the knob you present yourself as.

As for the attendance: it's a shocker. No justifying it. It's not working at The Stoop, it's getting worse. This is their 6th season and their crowds have gone down every year apart from one, and they weren't exactly high to start with. RL needs a club in the area, but does it have to be IN London? Potential pro players would surely go a little outside of London for a contract?

Wellsy thats a mixed message -is it the crowd you are commenting on or the quality of the players- ie it may get worse should it not be London