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| Cas are no better than Wakey. Full of talk over the years but done nothing. Cas fans will be defensive but the truth is Cas alongside others have done little to sort the stadium out. SL clubs would rather overpay an aussie than save and spend money on the stadium. Clubs have had around 15 years to sort things out. Cas Wakey and others have shown little interest in improving stadiums
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| Quote ="The Lucky Black Cat"Cas are no better than Wakey. Full of talk over the years but done nothing. Cas fans will be defensive but the truth is Cas alongside others have done little to sort the stadium out. SL clubs would rather overpay an aussie than save and spend money on the stadium. Clubs have had around 15 years to sort things out. Cas Wakey and others have shown little interest in improving stadiums'"
building a stadium aint like buying an house it takes years of planning ask anyclub thats done it.
st helens,salford,cas,wakefield you are right have been hoping to build for years and all 4 have made steady but slow progress but are now beginning to bare fruit and hopefully will have new homes by the next couple of years despite the country been in worst financial mess its ever been in.
a question id like to ask is where do you think wigan,hudds,hull would be without their football clubs they share with ? not all clubs have had the luxury of having grounds given on a plate through council funding for multi purpose and have had to go it alone.
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| Quote ="The Lucky Black Cat"Castleford have been making stadium announcements for years. And still nothing! Cas can make spout whatever about the stadium but most will not believe the BS from them. Cas have received millions from sky over the years and spent it on players rather than the stadium. Cas are no betzer than a championship club. Widnes Barrow and Fax could match Cas now despite being forced to play in a part time league. Cas cant compete in sl and the best youngsters always end up elsewhere. Cas do not deserve to be in sl.'"
Did you say this to the cas fans who came down to support your club when you had the finacial crisis a few years ago and told everyone that if you didnt get a certain attendance for a game you could go under?
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| Quote ="pyeman"Did you say this to the cas fans who came down to support your club when you had the finacial crisis a few years ago and told everyone that if you didnt get a certain attendance for a game you could go under?'"
Who's his team pyeman.
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| Quote ="The Lucky Black Cat"Cas are no better than Wakey. Full of talk over the years but done nothing. Cas fans will be defensive but the truth is Cas alongside others have done little to sort the stadium out. SL clubs would rather overpay an aussie than save and spend money on the stadium. Clubs have had around 15 years to sort things out. Cas Wakey and others have shown little interest in improving stadiums'"
Absolute ballcocks but then I'd never expect anything factual from someone who is so intent on spouting rubbish to try and create an argument.
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| As usual fans with heads in the sand. It does take time to develop or build a new stadium. But clubs have been told for 15 years to sort this out. Some have had council or other help. But others like Cas Wakey Salford etc have done little about their stadiums despite having 15 years of being told to improve things. Now its panic stations to get something sorted. RL fans deserve modern stadiums. If championship clubs have found various ways to improve stadiums or builones then so should SL clubs. Clubs that are well run and have managed to put in the hard work to improve their stadium deserve a place in sl over those that have not improved their stadium or how they are run. Why should Fax Fev and Widnes be forced to struggle in a part time league and be held back? In what way are Cas Wakey Salford better than Widnes Fax Barrow and Fev?
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| So let's look - Widnes - built by Halton Council, no? Halifax - completed and paid for by Calderdale Council, no? Leigh - built with Council help, no?
Cas have been looking to develop a stadium since the early 2000's but as a club with limited finances and no sugar daddy at the helm, how do you propose we fund it? Additionally, the land at Glasshoughton has only been redeveloped over the course of the past seven or eight years. We have been planning this stadium since 2006 and unable to sell our current ground due to the Chemical licence at Hicksons. That in itself has caused a considerable delay over the last three years.
I'll tell you in what way Cas are better than Fax, Barrow and Fev? Most aspects. That's not to say that they couldn't be as strong in the future or if the tables had been turned, however, as we look at it now, I would place Cas as stronger than Wakefield and Salford too - but that's just my opinion.
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| Quote ="The Lucky Black Cat"As usual fans with heads in the sand. It does take time to develop or build a new stadium. But clubs have been told for 15 years to sort this out. Some have had council or other help. But others like Cas Wakey Salford etc have done little about their stadiums despite having 15 years of being told to improve things. Now its panic stations to get something sorted. RL fans deserve modern stadiums. If championship clubs have found various ways to improve stadiums or builones then so should SL clubs. Clubs that are well run and have managed to put in the hard work to improve their stadium deserve a place in sl over those that have not improved their stadium or how they are run. [uWhy should Fax Fev and Widnes be forced to struggle in a part time league and be held back? In what way are Cas Wakey Salford better than Widnes Fax Barrow and Fev?[/u'"
They have been held back for one very simple reason, they were not good enough to either qualify for SL or were not good enough to sustain membership, but now because the RFL and Sky want new stadiums being shown on the telly screen all of a sudden those clubs you mention come into the arguement because of council help, and fwiw nobody is saying Cas,Salford and Wakey are better than those clubs currently out of SL and all three of them have a feasable argument for not delivering on time for one reason or another, and while you are banging the drum just remind what you have contributed to the development of the shay beside Calderdale council with the money you recieved from SL, if we follow your logic about grounds then the only club what deserve any recognition are Featherstone Rovers.
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| Quote ="chissitt" remind what you have contributed to the development of the shay beside Calderdale council with the money you recieved from SL,.'"
Contributed towards the construction of the Southstand, and seating of the skirtcoat road stand. The East Stand is the only one funded by the council.
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| Quote ="The Lucky Black Cat"As usual fans with heads in the sand. It does take time to develop or build a new stadium. But clubs have been told for 15 years to sort this out. Some have had council or other help. But others like Cas Wakey Salford etc have done little about their stadiums despite having 15 years of being told to improve things. Now its panic stations to get something sorted. RL fans deserve modern stadiums. If championship clubs have found various ways to improve stadiums or builones then so should SL clubs. Clubs that are well run and have managed to put in the hard work to improve their stadium deserve a place in sl over those that have not improved their stadium or how they are run. Why should Fax Fev and Widnes be forced to struggle in a part time league and be held back? In what way are Cas Wakey Salford better than Widnes Fax Barrow and Fev?'"
Your very poor knowledge of what's happening with new stadia only deserves this response:
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| Questions;
1. Have Cas got a 10,000 seater stadium ready for 2012 season - NO
2. Have Wakey got a 10,000 seater stadium ready for 2012 season - NO
Therefore Wakey and Cas will not succeed in a franchise renewal, these are the only FACTS on the table at the moment unfortunately!
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| Quote ="wereutherein1987?"Questions;
1. Have Cas got a 10,000 seater stadium ready for 2012 season - NO
2. Have Wakey got a 10,000 seater stadium ready for 2012 season - NO
Therefore Wakey and Cas will not succeed in a franchise renewal, these are the only FACTS on the table at the moment unfortunately!
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There"s other criteria to consider though. Stadia is but a small part of the licence process. That's the beauty of it.
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| And, if anybody bothered to look, the stadium criterion will be judged on the basis of whether, in the view of an independent assessor, clubs can deliver a stadium either for the start of the 2012 season or during it.
Fax fans seem to be getting a bit uppity recently. Finally completed that stand, courtesy of the council and Halifax Town have you
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| Quote ="tb"And, if anybody bothered to look, the stadium criterion will be judged on the basis of whether, in the view of an independent assessor, =#FF0000clubs can deliver a stadium either for the start of the 2012 season or =#FF0000during it.
Fax fans seem to be getting a bit uppity recently. Finally completed that stand, courtesy of the council and Halifax Town have you
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So they've changed it again for the benifit of Cas
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| Quote ="tb"
Fax fans seem to be getting a bit uppity'"
Wow. You don't work for Mori do you?
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| Quote ="tb"And, if anybody bothered to look, the stadium criterion will be judged on the basis of whether, in the view of an independent assessor, clubs can deliver a stadium either for the start of the 2012 season or during it.
Fax fans seem to be getting a bit uppity recently. Finally completed that stand, courtesy of the council and Halifax Town have you
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Aye, good init
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| Quote ="tb"No.'"
Are you sure ? , with you having ' previous '
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Nope, no such team TB they went out of business a few years ago. The new stand is all down to the council funding.
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| Quote ="littlerich"There"s other criteria to consider though. Stadia is but a small part of the licence process. That's the beauty of it.'"
Indeed. And Cas are trying their best to succeed in all the other areas and deliver what licensing/franchising is about. The financial commitment for detailed planning also shows that the ambition to have a new stadium is not 'pie in the sky' but it is something they want to deliver, not just to secure a licence, but to make them a team that can be strong and challenge those at the top of the game.
We have five quota players and none outside of those that are exemptions - that means we're one of just a few sides leading the way in lowering our reliance on Australians.
We have brought through several youngsters in the last few years and provided one full England international, one England train-on squad international and two England Academy youngsters including the Captain of that side. Also, we've supplied two England Youth squad members. In our full-time squad this season, we'll have a minimum of 12 Cas-academy youngsters in our squad.
We're trying our best to become a top eight side. Our performance on the field within the licensing period - 7th/9th, shows that.
Financially, we've recorded a small profit and we have shown that we can build a good portfolio of sponsors including some big names. This can only benefit not just Castleford but rugby league as a whole, surely?
Attendances: Whilst they dropped last season, there were a number of reasons for that. We had a number of games altered by Sky and/or changed for other reasons. Typically, we can attract approximately 7.5k average plus. The National League Grand Final also shows that we have a large dormant fanbase that, providing we are successful in delivering a stadium and do well in the League/Cup, can only drive us to five figure attendances/average.
These are just some of the factors that make Castleford a good inclusion in the interim in Super League. Whilst the stadium is obviously the major piece in the jigsaw and one that will no doubt be the first criteria to judge sides on, we have the potential to be a strong side.
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| Quote ="Fully"Indeed. And Cas are trying their best to succeed in all the other areas and deliver what licensing/franchising is about. The financial commitment for detailed planning also shows that the ambition to have a new stadium is not 'pie in the sky' but it is something they want to deliver, not just to secure a licence, but to make them a team that can be strong and challenge those at the top of the game.
We have five quota players and none outside of those that are exemptions - that means we're one of just a few sides leading the way in lowering our reliance on Australians.
We have brought through several youngsters in the last few years and provided one full England international, one England train-on squad international and two England Academy youngsters including the Captain of that side. Also, we've supplied two England Youth squad members. In our full-time squad this season, we'll have a minimum of 12 Cas-academy youngsters in our squad.
We're trying our best to become a top eight side. Our performance on the field within the licensing period - 7th/9th, shows that.
Financially, we've recorded a small profit and we have shown that we can build a good portfolio of sponsors including some big names. This can only benefit not just Castleford but rugby league as a whole, surely?
Attendances: Whilst they dropped last season, there were a number of reasons for that. We had a number of games altered by Sky and/or changed for other reasons. Typically, we can attract approximately 7.5k average plus. The National League Grand Final also shows that we have a large dormant fanbase that, providing we are successful in delivering a stadium and do well in the League/Cup, can only drive us to five figure attendances/average.
These are just some of the factors that make Castleford a good inclusion in the interim in Super League. Whilst the stadium is obviously the major piece in the jigsaw and one that will no doubt be the first criteria to judge sides on, we have the potential to be a strong side.'"
Yes we know
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| Quote ="Fully"Indeed. And Cas are trying their best to succeed in all the other areas and deliver what licensing/franchising is about. The financial commitment for detailed planning also shows that the ambition to have a new stadium is not 'pie in the sky' but it is something they want to deliver, not just to secure a licence, but to make them a team that can be strong and challenge those at the top of the game.
We have five quota players and none outside of those that are exemptions - that means we're one of just a few sides leading the way in lowering our reliance on Australians.
We have brought through several youngsters in the last few years and provided one full England international, one England train-on squad international and two England Academy youngsters including the Captain of that side. Also, we've supplied two England Youth squad members. In our full-time squad this season, we'll have a minimum of 12 Cas-academy youngsters in our squad.
We're trying our best to become a top eight side. Our performance on the field within the licensing period - 7th/9th, shows that.
Financially, we've recorded a small profit and we have shown that we can build a good portfolio of sponsors including some big names. This can only benefit not just Castleford but rugby league as a whole, surely?
Attendances: Whilst they dropped last season, there were a number of reasons for that. We had a number of games altered by Sky and/or changed for other reasons. Typically, we can attract approximately 7.5k average plus. The National League Grand Final also shows that we have a large dormant fanbase that, providing we are successful in delivering a stadium and do well in the League/Cup, can only drive us to five figure attendances/average.
These are just some of the factors that make Castleford a good inclusion in the interim in Super League. Whilst the stadium is obviously the major piece in the jigsaw and one that will no doubt be the first criteria to judge sides on, we have the potential to be a strong side.'"
impressive, nailed on for a franchise
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes we know'"
You may know but others, who you so often berate for just focusing on the stadium issue, may not.
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| Quote ="tb"And, if anybody bothered to look, the stadium criterion will be judged on the basis of whether, in the view of an independent assessor, clubs can deliver a stadium either for the start of the 2012 season or during it.
Fax fans seem to be getting a bit uppity recently. Finally completed that stand, courtesy of the council and Halifax Town have you
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So thats Cas out then. Richard Wright has made various stadium announcements and how many have actually happened?
Cas have a good record of bringing kids through. Shame they always move on like Shenton Westerman Orr Lynch etc.
Cas have never averaged anywhere near 10.000 and the reality is never will. Cas have punched above there weight in the past but this is more or less 2011. Cas are unlikely ever to win a cup or GF ever again unless millions are pumped in. The game has moved on when Cas could be considered a team to win things. Championship teams can even match and beat Cas as the Cup has shown.
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| Quote ="Fully"Indeed. And Cas are trying their best to succeed in all the other areas and deliver what licensing/franchising is about. The financial commitment for detailed planning also shows that the ambition to have a new stadium is not 'pie in the sky' but it is something they want to deliver, not just to secure a licence, but to make them a team that can be strong and challenge those at the top of the game.
We have five quota players and none outside of those that are exemptions - that means we're one of just a few sides leading the way in lowering our reliance on Australians.
We have brought through several youngsters in the last few years and provided one full England international, one England train-on squad international and two England Academy youngsters including the Captain of that side. Also, we've supplied two England Youth squad members. In our full-time squad this season, we'll have a minimum of 12 Cas-academy youngsters in our squad.
We're trying our best to become a top eight side. Our performance on the field within the licensing period - 7th/9th, shows that.
Financially, we've recorded a small profit and we have shown that we can build a good portfolio of sponsors including some big names. This can only benefit not just Castleford but rugby league as a whole, surely?
Attendances: Whilst they dropped last season, there were a number of reasons for that. We had a number of games altered by Sky and/or changed for other reasons. Typically, we can attract approximately 7.5k average plus. The National League Grand Final also shows that we have a large dormant fanbase that, providing we are successful in delivering a stadium and do well in the League/Cup, can only drive us to five figure attendances/average.
These are just some of the factors that make Castleford a good inclusion in the interim in Super League. Whilst the stadium is obviously the major piece in the jigsaw and one that will no doubt be the first criteria to judge sides on, we have the potential to be a strong side.'"
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