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| Quote ="Fully"Agreed. Depends how it is weighted too as Cas are better than Wakefield in most of the other areas too so it would be grossly unfair if the stadium was judged on its own for those at risk without taking into consideration other factors.
For instance: is onfield performance better or worse than modern facilities, what about commercial aspects, youth development etc.'"
It's all bollox
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| Quote ="Fully"Agreed. Depends how it is weighted too as Cas are better than Wakefield in most of the other areas too so it would be grossly unfair if the stadium was judged on its own for those at risk without taking into consideration other factors.
For instance: is onfield performance better or worse than modern facilities, what about commercial aspects, youth development etc.'"
Well if it's judged on that criteria Wakefield will be ahead of Salford and probably level with Cas I would think.
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| Quote ="deeHell"Well if it's judged on that criteria Wakefield will be ahead of Salford and probably level with Cas I would think.'"
If all three have stadia of equivalent standard, then yes, Salford should be bottom of the pile. Wouldn't say Wakefield are equal to Cas but that's just my perspective. Cas have better commercial portfolio and better youth to first team ratio. Average on field performance is equal, however, we're more consistent.
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| Quote ="Conorgiantsfan"Sorry, I just thought it might be fun to have 15 with a Top 5 Play Off System'"
That's all fine and good, but that wasn't the point of the thread was it. So who would be your 14?
Quote ="Conorgiantsfan"Understandable, but I'd rather like to think Hull would take one for the team, so to speak, and let them play there. '"
It's not just a case of Hull taking one for the team. KR don't want to play there.
Quote ="Conorgiantsfan"Sorry, I just thought it might be fun to have 15 with a Top 5 Play Off System'"
You've already answered that one!
Quote ="Conorgiantsfan"Sorry, me Minimes. Mistype.'"
Mistype or misread?
I guess "ni" can look like an "m".
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| Quote ="Fully"If all three have stadia of equivalent standard, then yes, Salford should be bottom of the pile. Wouldn't say Wakefield are equal to Cas but that's just my perspective. Cas have better commercial portfolio and better youth to first team ratio. Average on field performance is equal, however, we're more consistent.'"
I think your been selective about the criteria your using. I wouldn't value commercial portfolio as high as your self, investment is exactly that, as long as you can attract it. I'm pretty sure in monetary value Wakefield will attract as much sponsorship as Cas. Both clubs been of a similar profile I'm sure investment is of similar value. Not sure about youth to first team ratio, I don't really think there is much in it at all. In the last 2 or 3 years we had had several players come from our Academy probably very little difference between us and Cas. Both clubs having a small budget that kind of thing is forced on you. Don't forget our excellent community programme that was praised by the RFL in the last franchise award, something we lead the way in.
Regarding the stadium, I think the rfl will put a lot of weight to it. Lets consider both Wakey and Cas have had warning letters about promises made in 2008. A ground that meets criteria will by of massive importance.
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| Quote ="LewisJ23"Harlequins too you're forgetting...oh and Catalan ?
Mine would be in no particular order
1.Wigan
2.Saints
3.Leeds
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5.Hull FC
6.Hull KR
=#BF0000[u7.Castleford[/u8.Widnes
9.Halifax
10.Bradford
11.Salford
12.Huddersfield
13.Wakefield
14.Harlequins'"
This thread is for who will miss out in the next round of franchise, not where you think your team will finish in the league tables
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You think Oakwell is a fancy all seater stadium?
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looks nice and looks all seater
certainly looks better than most SL clubs
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| Quote ="Fully"If all three have stadia of equivalent standard, then yes, Salford should be bottom of the pile. .'"
What about the huge catchment area of the Salford/Manchester conurbation?
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| Quote ="GSF"What about the huge catchment area of the Salford/Manchester conurbation?'"
is it really important? london is a massive catchment area but this does not mean quins are turning people away at the door.
it does not matter how many people live in manchester, the only relevant number is those interested in RL
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"is it really important? '"
According to Mr Lewis and the RFL it is and they make the decisions.I stand corrected but didn't Lewis say,after the 2008 Licence announcements, that the Salford/Manchester conurbation couldn't be ignored?Why will this view change next time?
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| Quote ="GSF"What about the huge catchment area of the Salford/Manchester conurbation?'"
Whilst locality is important it shouldn't be considered more important than other factors, unless it is out of the heartlands, which Manchester clearly isn't.
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| they could say the same thing about sheffield.
the masses of both these cities seem to be ignoring RL.
apparently this has gone un-noticed by the RFL.
i think its called "in denial"
cant see any reason why they will change their mind regardless of whether they are right or wrong though.
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Quote ="deeHell"I think your been selective about the criteria your using. I wouldn't value commercial portfolio as high as your self, investment is exactly that, as long as you can attract it. I'm pretty sure in monetary value Wakefield will attract as much sponsorship as Cas. Both clubs been of a similar profile I'm sure investment is of similar value. Not sure about youth to first team ratio, I don't really think there is much in it at all. In the last 2 or 3 years we had had several players come from our Academy probably very little difference between us and Cas. Both clubs having a small budget that kind of thing is forced on you. Don't forget our excellent community programme that was praised by the RFL in the last franchise award, something we lead the way in.
Regarding the stadium, I think the rfl will put a lot of weight to it. Lets consider both Wakey and Cas have had warning letters about promises made in 2008. A ground that meets criteria will by of massive importance.'"
Not being selective at all - the full list of areas are:
Quote a. Commercial, Marketing, Media and Community.
b. Facilities.
c. Finance.
d. Governance and Business Management.
e. Playing Strength and Player Performance Strategy.'"
Section A: Cas have just announced a massive sponsorship with Probiz which significantly outweighs the Metrel we agreed earlier, which was one of the highest in SL, if I remember correctly. In addition to this, we've agreed a deal with Fujitsu, Wish Communications (Vodafone), Aqumen Recruitment and a number of local partnerships. The club is constantly trying to maximise the financial side of things and the RFL will be looking for clubs who can maximise their incomes and increase their competitivity and playing strength through this. In terms of marketing and media, we always publicise events and send out regular press releases and our community involvement is top notch.
In terms of your Community involvement, the RFL had this say to say at the last round of licences:
Quote There is good progress within community development'"
www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/super_league
Facilities is the area we both fall down at the moment so is a pointless discussion as we're all square on that.
Finance, I don't know the ins and outs of but we made a small profit last year and are reasonably well run, which is something that I note the RFL picked up on and with the improvement in sponsorships above and things, I can see that being the same again.
Unsure on D as I'm not sure on what aspects it covers.
E) We have been the more consistent side and playing strength is reasonable and I think we've got the better squad on paper this season and we'll see how things pan out over first months of new season. We also have a better record of bringing through youth in the licensing period. The only few that have made strides in your first team are Ferguson and Morton although I recognise that there are a couple of others who have played the odd game. Compare to that our squad who we have Richie Owen, Adam Milner, Jon Walker, Joe Arundel, Jordan Thompson, Oli Holmes, John Davies all played games in SL. We've just promoted Sam Orange, Daryl Clark and Billy Harris into the first team squad and we're fulfilling the aims of the licensing system. We've also significantly reduced down our quota players and overseas players and we are one of the best sides in SL for that.
We also have a better average attendance but I'm not sure which category this falls into above. Not sure on ST sales. I think I've just summarised several reasons that justify why Cas are better than Wakefield.
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Regarding the stadium, I think the rfl will put a lot of weight to it. Lets consider both Wakey and Cas have had warning letters about promises made in 2008. A ground that meets criteria will by of massive importance.'"
Not being selective at all - the full list of areas are:
Quote a. Commercial, Marketing, Media and Community.
b. Facilities.
c. Finance.
d. Governance and Business Management.
e. Playing Strength and Player Performance Strategy.'"
Section A: Cas have just announced a massive sponsorship with Probiz which significantly outweighs the Metrel we agreed earlier, which was one of the highest in SL, if I remember correctly. In addition to this, we've agreed a deal with Fujitsu, Wish Communications (Vodafone), Aqumen Recruitment and a number of local partnerships. The club is constantly trying to maximise the financial side of things and the RFL will be looking for clubs who can maximise their incomes and increase their competitivity and playing strength through this. In terms of marketing and media, we always publicise events and send out regular press releases and our community involvement is top notch.
In terms of your Community involvement, the RFL had this say to say at the last round of licences:
Quote There is good progress within community development'"
www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/super_league
Facilities is the area we both fall down at the moment so is a pointless discussion as we're all square on that.
Finance, I don't know the ins and outs of but we made a small profit last year and are reasonably well run, which is something that I note the RFL picked up on and with the improvement in sponsorships above and things, I can see that being the same again.
Unsure on D as I'm not sure on what aspects it covers.
E) We have been the more consistent side and playing strength is reasonable and I think we've got the better squad on paper this season and we'll see how things pan out over first months of new season. We also have a better record of bringing through youth in the licensing period. The only few that have made strides in your first team are Ferguson and Morton although I recognise that there are a couple of others who have played the odd game. Compare to that our squad who we have Richie Owen, Adam Milner, Jon Walker, Joe Arundel, Jordan Thompson, Oli Holmes, John Davies all played games in SL. We've just promoted Sam Orange, Daryl Clark and Billy Harris into the first team squad and we're fulfilling the aims of the licensing system. We've also significantly reduced down our quota players and overseas players and we are one of the best sides in SL for that.
We also have a better average attendance but I'm not sure which category this falls into above. Not sure on ST sales. I think I've just summarised several reasons that justify why Cas are better than Wakefield.
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Quote ="Fully"Not being selective at all - the full list of areas are:
Section A: Cas have just announced a massive sponsorship with Probiz which significantly outweighs the Metrel we agreed earlier, which was one of the highest in SL, if I remember correctly. In addition to this, we've agreed a deal with Fujitsu, Wish Communications (Vodafone), Aqumen Recruitment and a number of local partnerships. The club is constantly trying to maximise the financial side of things and the RFL will be looking for clubs who can maximise their incomes and increase their competitivity and playing strength through this. In terms of marketing and media, we always publicise events and send out regular press releases and our community involvement is top notch.
In terms of your Community involvement, the RFL had this say to say at the last round of licences:
www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/super_league
Facilities is the area we both fall down at the moment so is a pointless discussion as we're all square on that.
Finance, I don't know the ins and outs of but we made a small profit last year and are reasonably well run, which is something that I note the RFL picked up on and with the improvement in sponsorships above and things, I can see that being the same again.
Unsure on D as I'm not sure on what aspects it covers.
E) We have been the more consistent side and playing strength is reasonable and I think we've got the better squad on paper this season and we'll see how things pan out over first months of new season. We also have a better record of bringing through youth in the licensing period. The only few that have made strides in your first team are Ferguson and Morton although I recognise that there are a couple of others who have played the odd game. Compare to that our squad who we have Richie Owen, Adam Milner, Jon Walker, Joe Arundel, Jordan Thompson, Oli Holmes, John Davies all played games in SL. We've just promoted Sam Orange, Daryl Clark and Billy Harris into the first team squad and we're fulfilling the aims of the licensing system. We've also significantly reduced down our quota players and overseas players and we are one of the best sides in SL for that.
We also have a better average attendance but I'm not sure which category this falls into above. Not sure on ST sales. I think I've just summarised several reasons that justify why Cas are better than Wakefield.'"
You missed huby.
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Section A: Cas have just announced a massive sponsorship with Probiz which significantly outweighs the Metrel we agreed earlier, which was one of the highest in SL, if I remember correctly. In addition to this, we've agreed a deal with Fujitsu, Wish Communications (Vodafone), Aqumen Recruitment and a number of local partnerships. The club is constantly trying to maximise the financial side of things and the RFL will be looking for clubs who can maximise their incomes and increase their competitivity and playing strength through this. In terms of marketing and media, we always publicise events and send out regular press releases and our community involvement is top notch.
In terms of your Community involvement, the RFL had this say to say at the last round of licences:
www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/super_league
Facilities is the area we both fall down at the moment so is a pointless discussion as we're all square on that.
Finance, I don't know the ins and outs of but we made a small profit last year and are reasonably well run, which is something that I note the RFL picked up on and with the improvement in sponsorships above and things, I can see that being the same again.
Unsure on D as I'm not sure on what aspects it covers.
E) We have been the more consistent side and playing strength is reasonable and I think we've got the better squad on paper this season and we'll see how things pan out over first months of new season. We also have a better record of bringing through youth in the licensing period. The only few that have made strides in your first team are Ferguson and Morton although I recognise that there are a couple of others who have played the odd game. Compare to that our squad who we have Richie Owen, Adam Milner, Jon Walker, Joe Arundel, Jordan Thompson, Oli Holmes, John Davies all played games in SL. We've just promoted Sam Orange, Daryl Clark and Billy Harris into the first team squad and we're fulfilling the aims of the licensing system. We've also significantly reduced down our quota players and overseas players and we are one of the best sides in SL for that.
We also have a better average attendance but I'm not sure which category this falls into above. Not sure on ST sales. I think I've just summarised several reasons that justify why Cas are better than Wakefield.'"
You missed huby.
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Huby has been around since before the licensing. The others, and I included Owen because he only really came through due to the change in the system, came through in the licensing period.
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| Quote ="Fully"Huby has been around since before the licensing. The others, and I included Owen because he only really came through due to the change in the system, came through in the licensing period.'"
Ah i see.
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| Quote ="GSF"According to Mr Lewis and the RFL it is and they make the decisions.I stand corrected but didn't Lewis say,after the 2008 Licence announcements, that the Salford/Manchester conurbation couldn't be ignored?=#FF0000Why will this view change next time?'"
Possibly because the club nearest this large potential new fanbase is no longer building an ' Iconic ' state of the art 25/30,000 capacity stadium just beneath the Barton bridge that would have been used for Internationals,finals,semi finals and as many other high profile games as possible , it would have been THE premier RL stadium in this country , maybe that is why ?
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| Quote ="pyeman"You missed huby.'"
and luke george, aaron murphy, kyle bibb and ben gledhill
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"and luke george, aaron murphy, kyle bibb and ben gledhill'"
Gledhill is a Cas youngster, Bibb no longer plays for Wakefield. I'll give them George and Murphy.
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Possibly because the club nearest this large potential new fanbase is no longer building an ' Iconic ' state of the art 25/30,000 capacity stadium just beneath the Barton bridge that would have been used for Internationals,finals,semi finals and as many other high profile games as possible , it would have been THE premier RL stadium in this country , maybe that is why ?'"
What ever happened to that?
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"What ever happened to that?'"
It has turned into something slightly less impressive than the Stobart/LSV , but completely adequate for a SL club in Salford
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| Quote ="Fully"Gledhill is a Cas youngster, Bibb no longer plays for Wakefield. I'll give them George and Murphy.'"
wasnt george originally in hudds academy.
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Quote ="Fully"Not being selective at all - the full list of areas are: '"
Everything you have mentioned is all very marginal and could be argued till the cows come home.
Quote ="Fully"Section A: Cas have just announced a massive sponsorship with Probiz which significantly outweighs the Metrel we agreed earlier, which was one of the highest in SL, if I remember correctly.'"
How do we know that? Cos the king of Spin Dickey Wright told you The last couple of days have seen some very strange going ons at Cas regarding sponsorship something, just doesn't add up. How do you know that a low profile unknown company have give one of the biggest ever SL sponsorship to a struggling lower SL club with a low profile. Wouldn't they just approach a team with a higher profile to maximise their exposure? Don't be so gullible, not everything is what it seems with these official club statements.
Quote ="Fully"In addition to this, we've agreed a deal with Fujitsu, Wish Communications (Vodafone), Aqumen Recruitment and a number of local partnerships. The club is constantly trying to maximise the financial side of things and the RFL will be looking for clubs who can maximise their incomes and increase their competitiveness and playing strength through this. In terms of marketing and media, we always publicise events and send out regular press releases and our community involvement is top notch.'"
Yet again, we are only talking about minor sponsors something that every club has. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but Castleford don't have some super dooper marketing department that can extract masses of finance from the business community, of course it does no harm trying to give that impression I suppose.
Quote ="Fully"In terms of your Community involvement, the RFL had this say to say at the last round of licences:
www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/super_league
Facilities is the area we both fall down at the moment so is a pointless discussion as we're all square on that.'"
I disagree it's not pointless at all, come the start of 2012 we will not be playing at BV, we have to be out the grounds already sold! You more than likely will be playing at WR. Both clubs will be judged at the time with the facilities we have. After both clubs broken promises last time the RFL will put a lot of weight on this. For me this will be the deciding factor and lets not forget the warning letters that both clubs recieved last year. You can try and be trivial about this point but this is the biggy and burying your head in the sand won't make the problem go away!
Quote ="Fully"Finance, I don't know the ins and outs of but we made a small profit last year and are reasonably well run, which is something that I note the RFL picked up on and with the improvement in sponsorships above and things, I can see that being the same again.
Unsure on D as I'm not sure on what aspects it covers.
E) We have been the more consistent side and playing strength is reasonable and I think we've got the better squad on paper this season and we'll see how things pan out over first months of new season. We also have a better record of bringing through youth in the licensing period. The only few that have made strides in your first team are Ferguson and Morton although I recognise that there are a couple of others who have played the odd game. Compare to that our squad who we have Richie Owen, Adam Milner, Jon Walker, Joe Arundel, Jordan Thompson, Oli Holmes, John Davies all played games in SL. We've just promoted Sam Orange, Daryl Clark and Billy Harris into the first team squad and we're fulfilling the aims of the licensing system. We've also significantly reduced down our quota players and overseas players and we are one of the best sides in SL for that.'"
I fail to see how you have been more consistent, in the last 2 season we have just about equal overhaul, if we include the full 3 years we are well ahead. In the last franchise period we have blooded the following youngsters into our first team squad, Fergie, Murphy, George, Pitts, Davey, Morton, Wilde and Gledhill ( I know he started at Cas but he was signed for our academy). From our 2009 Academy winning championship team we have give full time contracts to Russell Spiers, Kyle Trout, Matty King, Danny Cowling , Chris Anniken and Gareth Potts. As well as this year giving chances to several young lads from other clubs. I really can't see any real difference in youth production between either team.
Quote ="Fully"We also have a better average attendance but I'm not sure which category this falls into above.'"
Your crowds are marginally better at the moment but the gap has got considerably closer, either way I doubt it will make a difference for the franchise decisions, considering the small difference we are talking about.
Quote ="Fully" Not sure on ST sales. I think I've just summarised several reasons that justify why Cas are better than Wakefield.'"
So on reflection you will see that your been very pedantic with the points you choose to highlight. Of course your only trying to protect your feelings by been in denial, nothing wrong with that I suppose. Eventually you'll have to get with real world.
Just remember these major point. At the start of 2012, Wakefield will be in a SL standard stadium, Castleford more than likely won't be. That at the end of the day will be the deciding factor. hth
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Quote ="Fully"Not being selective at all - the full list of areas are: '"
Everything you have mentioned is all very marginal and could be argued till the cows come home.
Quote ="Fully"Section A: Cas have just announced a massive sponsorship with Probiz which significantly outweighs the Metrel we agreed earlier, which was one of the highest in SL, if I remember correctly.'"
How do we know that? Cos the king of Spin Dickey Wright told you The last couple of days have seen some very strange going ons at Cas regarding sponsorship something, just doesn't add up. How do you know that a low profile unknown company have give one of the biggest ever SL sponsorship to a struggling lower SL club with a low profile. Wouldn't they just approach a team with a higher profile to maximise their exposure? Don't be so gullible, not everything is what it seems with these official club statements.
Quote ="Fully"In addition to this, we've agreed a deal with Fujitsu, Wish Communications (Vodafone), Aqumen Recruitment and a number of local partnerships. The club is constantly trying to maximise the financial side of things and the RFL will be looking for clubs who can maximise their incomes and increase their competitiveness and playing strength through this. In terms of marketing and media, we always publicise events and send out regular press releases and our community involvement is top notch.'"
Yet again, we are only talking about minor sponsors something that every club has. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but Castleford don't have some super dooper marketing department that can extract masses of finance from the business community, of course it does no harm trying to give that impression I suppose.
Quote ="Fully"In terms of your Community involvement, the RFL had this say to say at the last round of licences:
www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/super_league
Facilities is the area we both fall down at the moment so is a pointless discussion as we're all square on that.'"
I disagree it's not pointless at all, come the start of 2012 we will not be playing at BV, we have to be out the grounds already sold! You more than likely will be playing at WR. Both clubs will be judged at the time with the facilities we have. After both clubs broken promises last time the RFL will put a lot of weight on this. For me this will be the deciding factor and lets not forget the warning letters that both clubs recieved last year. You can try and be trivial about this point but this is the biggy and burying your head in the sand won't make the problem go away!
Quote ="Fully"Finance, I don't know the ins and outs of but we made a small profit last year and are reasonably well run, which is something that I note the RFL picked up on and with the improvement in sponsorships above and things, I can see that being the same again.
Unsure on D as I'm not sure on what aspects it covers.
E) We have been the more consistent side and playing strength is reasonable and I think we've got the better squad on paper this season and we'll see how things pan out over first months of new season. We also have a better record of bringing through youth in the licensing period. The only few that have made strides in your first team are Ferguson and Morton although I recognise that there are a couple of others who have played the odd game. Compare to that our squad who we have Richie Owen, Adam Milner, Jon Walker, Joe Arundel, Jordan Thompson, Oli Holmes, John Davies all played games in SL. We've just promoted Sam Orange, Daryl Clark and Billy Harris into the first team squad and we're fulfilling the aims of the licensing system. We've also significantly reduced down our quota players and overseas players and we are one of the best sides in SL for that.'"
I fail to see how you have been more consistent, in the last 2 season we have just about equal overhaul, if we include the full 3 years we are well ahead. In the last franchise period we have blooded the following youngsters into our first team squad, Fergie, Murphy, George, Pitts, Davey, Morton, Wilde and Gledhill ( I know he started at Cas but he was signed for our academy). From our 2009 Academy winning championship team we have give full time contracts to Russell Spiers, Kyle Trout, Matty King, Danny Cowling , Chris Anniken and Gareth Potts. As well as this year giving chances to several young lads from other clubs. I really can't see any real difference in youth production between either team.
Quote ="Fully"We also have a better average attendance but I'm not sure which category this falls into above.'"
Your crowds are marginally better at the moment but the gap has got considerably closer, either way I doubt it will make a difference for the franchise decisions, considering the small difference we are talking about.
Quote ="Fully" Not sure on ST sales. I think I've just summarised several reasons that justify why Cas are better than Wakefield.'"
So on reflection you will see that your been very pedantic with the points you choose to highlight. Of course your only trying to protect your feelings by been in denial, nothing wrong with that I suppose. Eventually you'll have to get with real world.
Just remember these major point. At the start of 2012, Wakefield will be in a SL standard stadium, Castleford more than likely won't be. That at the end of the day will be the deciding factor. hth
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The idea that only 1 club from the Championship club will get promoted and then its just down to which 1 SL will get kicked out is too restrictive IMO. If the RFL consider only Widnes to meet the minimum criteria (as Barrow and Halifax may not pass the £1million revenue), then only Widnes can get promoted. Then when the SL clubs apply, the RFL will be forced to keep 13 out of the 14 in whether they like it or not (unless there are overseas applications). Even if the RFL felt completely embarrassed and pi**ed off for believing the fairytailes that Cas, Wakey and Salford told last time round and wanted them out of SL, unless they throw the applications open to all clubs, how would the RFL give others a chance?
I think its fairly obvious that its only going to be one up and one down. The RFL have already said that the reason why they will announce the successful Championship club in March is to give them enough time to prepare for SL the following year. So if Widnes (for example) need from March to prepare, surely if Toulouse were also successful in July (when the other SL licences are announced), they would already be 4 months behind with planning.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Its certainly good enough to meet the minimum standards, but even in RL and even worse, in Barnsley [uit isnt considered 'fancy'[/u'"
Academies are like @rseholes in soccer nowadays, everybody has one. When Barnsley first opened their academy along with Blackburn,middlesboro,Liverpool,Arsenal and Man Utd, those 6 clubs were the only ones what filled the full criteria for academy coaching, what is your definition of [ufancy [/uthen? If I might make a suggestion why don't you go and look at Oakwell for yourself before making an ill imformed opinion and making yourself look a tad foolish.
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