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| Quote ="ToffeeLady"your use of defenceless is what's hilarious, i'm sure if he wasn't such a sh*thouse he would have looked up and got in a couple himself.
...speaking of 'defenceless' players on the floor, how about Riley last week, last minute, thuggery.'"
You have to be a windup/alias. You CANNOT really mean what you are posting. Nobody is that ignorant, surely!
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"The thread still dominated by people slagging Bailey off. Where are those slating Radford for throwing TWO punches to a defenseless player on the floor? One of the biggest acts of thuggery I have seen this season.'"
Think you'll find he landed four. After receiving around 5 elbows to the back of the head while similarly 'helpless'. In terms of 'thuggery' not much between them TBH. Nine times out of ten both players would have had 10 minutes in the bin and the incident referred to the disciplinary committee. The red card was OTT in the context of the game and seriousness of the incident, particularly in light of the lack of any sanction against the instigator.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Probably for the cowardly act of hitting a man while he's lying on the floor. A little different to a fair square up. Correct decision by Ian Smith.'"
He would of still floored him.
Note: Did you notice Bailey only got up when he realised all his Leeds team mates were there?
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Nobody is that ignorant, surely!'"
You quite clearly are.
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| Quote ="John S"Its amazing what some fans think they see. A head movement towards Long but at least a foot from connecting'"
Ha thats ok then!
I'm not saying Bailey should have got red, but no-one can say he wasn't elbowing deliberately, the first one that hit Radford should have stopped him but it encouraged him, Radford shouldn't have done anything but I can understand his frustration.
Both yellow to cool down, especially with Bailey then getting up and trying to throw a few more and going for Long, regardless of contact it doesn't mean you can go round and try to butt anyone (something that is a straight red in RL)
I've no qualms with Bailey, he is there to get under the skin and is good at it, I just think Smith got it very wrong.
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| Quote ="braytontiger"there is nowt wrong with a bit of biff.bailey gives enough and gets plenty it should of been a penalty to hull both players in the bin for 10 and let them get on with the game.'"
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"The thread still dominated by people slagging Bailey off. Where are those slating Radford for throwing TWO punches to a defenseless player on the floor? One of the biggest acts of thuggery I have seen this season.'"
He may only have connected twice, he threw more than two.
If Bailey had even half a brain, he'd already have known what Radford did to Fielden in the boxing ring.
I fully expected him to be having a go at Hall or Briscoe but they were probably a little too quick for him. A bit like Radford's combination
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| Quote ="Kosh"Think you'll find he landed four. After receiving around 5 elbows to the back of the head while similarly 'helpless'. In terms of 'thuggery' not much between them TBH. Nine times out of ten both players would have had 10 minutes in the bin and the incident referred to the disciplinary committee. The red card was OTT in the context of the game and seriousness of the incident, particularly in light of the lack of any sanction against the instigator.'"
Its nice to see a level-headed poster on this thread. I do not agree with you that the actions were on par. Attempting to escape from a tackle and hitting a man while he is down is completely different IMO, and who is to say Bailey was intentionally elbowing Radford. I think only sin binning a player for throwing 4 punches (I stand corrected), while a man is lying there on the floor, is setting a dangerous precadent.
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| Dave Lister If you were reciving about five elbows to the head would you do nothing.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"He may only have connected twice, he threw more than two.
If Bailey had even half a brain, he'd already have known what Radford did to Fielden in the boxing ring.
I fully expected him to be having a go at Hall or Briscoe but they were probably a little too quick for him. A bit like Radford's combination'"
You hype up Radford's boxing ability - he had 4 free punches at an open target, and Bailey got straight back up again. How does that work?
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| Why are you replying to Dave Lister? Obvious Troll is obvious
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| Quote ="74'"Dave Lister If you were reciving about five elbows to the head would you do nothing.'"
I'd never hit a man while he was laying on the floor no, but then maybe we have different standards.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Its nice to see a level-headed poster on this thread. I do not agree with you that the actions were on par. Attempting to escape from a tackle and hitting a man while he is down is completely different IMO, and who is to say Bailey was intentionally elbowing Radford. I think only sin binning a player for throwing 4 punches (I stand corrected), while a man is lying there on the floor, is setting a dangerous precadent.'"
What a prat you sound at times!! Not Intentional!!!
His first elbow thrown that contacted head he'd stop straight away, not get more aggressive!!!!
Not condoning Radford but you are blind if you think Bailey was swinging it accidentally!
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| Quote ="74'"Dave Lister If you were reciving about five elbows to the head would you do nothing.'"
He probably would do something--ask him about three elbows though which Bailey threw
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| Quote ="Chris Saint"What a prat you sound at times!! Not Intentional!!!
His first elbow thrown that contacted head he'd stop straight away, not get more aggressive!!!!
Not condoning Radford but you are blind if you think Bailey was swinging it accidentally!'"
Radford shouldn't have been holding Bailey down in the first place
Like I said before, Bailey deserved a sin bin, but nothing more. Radford deserved a red card. I'm not sure why that is such a controversial statement and that I am "trolling" for holding this view.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"You hype up Radford's boxing ability - he had 4 free punches at an open target, and Bailey got straight back up again. How does that work?
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He got straight back up? He left it a few seconds if i remember correctly and only carried it on when he realized all the players ran in.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Radford shouldn't have been holding Bailey down in the first place
Like I said before, Bailey deserved a sin bin, but nothing more. Radford deserved a red card. I'm not sure why that is such a controversial statement and that I am "trolling" for holding this view.'"
You are an obvious troll because you are ignoring what preceeded Radford slapping Bailey around like a rag doll.
Its a mans game. When someone is elbowing you in the head, in such a pressure cooker environment, its hard to keep your actions in check. These are agressive men and things boil over. "Normally", the refs realise this and a sin binning would be sufficient.
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| DL: He didn't get staright up at all, he waited for his Leeds team to come back him up then got up.
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| Quote ="Red-4-life"He got straight back up? He left it a few seconds if i remember correctly and only carried it on when he realized all the players ran in.'"
Watch the incident again. Radford hardly knocked him out, did he?
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| Quote ="Moomin"You are an obvious troll because you are ignoring what preceeded Radford slapping Bailey around like a rag doll.
Its a mans game. When someone is elbowing you in the head, in such a pressure cooker environment, its hard to keep your actions in check. These are agressive men and things boil over. "Normally", the refs realise this and a sin binning would be sufficient.'"
How have I ignored it? I said about 2 minutes ago Bailey deserved to be sin-binned. And in my opinion the two actions were not on the same level, so Radford had to go. Please point out how that is an "obvious" trolling attempt.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Radford shouldn't have been holding Bailey down in the first place
Like I said before, Bailey deserved a sin bin, but nothing more. Radford deserved a red card. I'm not sure why that is such a controversial statement and that I am "trolling" for holding this view.'"
So holding down is an elbow free for all??
I don't agree with the red card but purely because there is no set precedent for it, he had to have 10 mins no complaint there but hand bags are usually always yellow cards.
Radford's offence was worse but it only happend through Bailey's niggle, and when Bailey then reacted back that earned him what should have been a yellow.
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| Three words to describe Bailey: Third Man Thug.
Lock it.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Watch the incident again. Radford hardly knocked him out, did he?'"
When did I say he did? Jumping to conclusions when I hadn't even mentioned that because you can't admit you are wrong.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"How have I ignored it? I said about 2 minutes ago Bailey deserved to be sin-binned. And in my opinion the two actions were not on the same level, so Radford had to go. Please point out how that is an "obvious" trolling attempt.'"
Read the last sentence of my post that you quoted and obviously didnt read. Are you now saying that in our sport, its correct to be sent off for retaliation? Yes or no?
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| Quote ="Moomin"Read the last sentence of my post that you quoted and obviously didnt read. Are you now saying that in our sport, its correct to be sent off for retaliation? Yes or no?'"
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I read the last sentence yes. Sin bin sufficient? No, I do not agree.
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