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| Whether he is good enough or not doesn't matter. He's already played international RL for Tonga. So therefore he shouldn't be allowed to jump ship.
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| Quote ="Money Mayweather"Whether he is good enough or not doesn't matter. He's already played international RL for Tonga. So therefore he shouldn't be allowed to jump ship.'"
I agree, although I think he is good enough and would provide much better impact than most of the England second-rowers he's not English and that should be the end of it.
Paul Sykes as well?
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| Quote ="Saint_Marc"Because they hadnt played for an international team in union. The point is, if you have played for a country at union, you then cant swap.
International RL is a joke at times.'"
Troll alert.
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| Quote ="cjhatesunion"Troll alert.
'" He's right though. RL doesn't even have an international federation.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"icon_biggrin.gif
Just like England allegedly had the best pack in the whole world in the World cup hey
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Without wishing to get into an argument about who is best, forwards aren't our problem. Big blokes will always be attracted to Rugby. Quick or skilful footballers will in mostly be creamed off the association football in the UK. England RU has the same issue, although for them it is exacerbated by a strong preference for conservative rugby based on success at set pieces.
Brebt Webb, Pat Richards, Matt King and Jake Webster should be eligible now or for 2011...
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| The full England teambuilding squad:
Chris Bridge (Warrington),
Tom Briscoe (Hull FC),
Ryan Hall (Leeds),
Sean O`Loughlin (Wigan),
Danny McGuire (Leeds),
Adrian Morley (Warrington),
Jamie Peacock (Leeds),
Nick Scruton (Bradford),
Michael Shenton (Castleford),
Kevin Sinfield (Leeds),
Sam Tomkins (Wigan),
Ben Westwood (Warrington),
Shaun Lunt (Huddersfield),
Kevin Brown (Huddersfield),
Richard Myler (Warrington),
Ryan Atkins (Warrington),
Jodie Broughton (Salford),
Leroy Cudjoe (Huddersfield),
Peter Fox (Hull KR),
Lee Smith (Leeds),
Gareth Carvell (Warrington),
Ben Harrison (Warrington),
Jamie Langley (Bradford),
Tony Clubb (Harlequins RL),
Ben Jones-Bishop (Harlequins RL),
Andy Lynch (Bradford),
Joe Westerman (Castleford),
Kirk Yeaman (Hull),
Louie McCarthy Scarsbrook (Harlequins),
Eorl Crabtree (Huddersfield),
Paul Sykes (Bradford),
Willie Manu (Hull FC),
Kyle Eastmond (Saints),
James Graham (Saints),
James Roby (Saints),
Scott Moore (Saints),
Jon Wilkin (Saints).
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| Quote ="Wadski"The full England teambuilding squad:
Chris Bridge (Warrington),
Tom Briscoe (Hull FC),
Ryan Hall (Leeds),
Sean O`Loughlin (Wigan),
Danny McGuire (Leeds),
Adrian Morley (Warrington),
Jamie Peacock (Leeds),
Nick Scruton (Bradford),
Michael Shenton (Castleford),
Kevin Sinfield (Leeds),
Sam Tomkins (Wigan),
Ben Westwood (Warrington),
Shaun Lunt (Huddersfield),
Kevin Brown (Huddersfield),
Richard Myler (Warrington),
Ryan Atkins (Warrington),
Jodie Broughton (Salford),
Leroy Cudjoe (Huddersfield),
Peter Fox (Hull KR),
Lee Smith (Leeds),
Gareth Carvell (Warrington),
Ben Harrison (Warrington),
Jamie Langley (Bradford),
Tony Clubb (Harlequins RL),
Ben Jones-Bishop (Harlequins RL),
Andy Lynch (Bradford),
Joe Westerman (Castleford),
Kirk Yeaman (Hull),
Louie McCarthy Scarsbrook (Harlequins),
Eorl Crabtree (Huddersfield),
Paul Sykes (Bradford),
Willie Manu (Hull FC),
Kyle Eastmond (Saints),
James Graham (Saints),
James Roby (Saints),
Scott Moore (Saints),
Jon Wilkin (Saints).'"
I reckon you could play all them all on the field at once and they still wouldnt beat Australia
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| Quote ="Wadski"The full England teambuilding squad:
Chris Bridge (Warrington), =#FF0000NO
Tom Briscoe (Hull FC),=#FF0000NO
Ryan Hall (Leeds),
Sean O`Loughlin (Wigan),
Danny McGuire (Leeds),=#FF0000NO
Adrian Morley (Warrington),
Jamie Peacock (Leeds),
Nick Scruton (Bradford),
Michael Shenton (Castleford),
Kevin Sinfield (Leeds),=#FF0000JUST
Sam Tomkins (Wigan),
Ben Westwood (Warrington),=#FF0000NO
Shaun Lunt (Huddersfield),
Kevin Brown (Huddersfield),=#FF0000NO
Richard Myler (Warrington),=#FF0000NWISH I COULD SAY NO BUT NO OTHER OPTIONS
Ryan Atkins (Warrington),=#FF0000NO
Jodie Broughton (Salford),=#FF0000NO
Leroy Cudjoe (Huddersfield),=#FF0000NO
Peter Fox (Hull KR),
Lee Smith (Leeds),=#FF0000NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Gareth Carvell (Warrington),
Ben Harrison (Warrington),=#FF0000NO
Jamie Langley (Bradford),=#FF0000NO
Tony Clubb (Harlequins RL),=#FF0000NO
Ben Jones-Bishop (Harlequins RL),=#FF0000NOish
Andy Lynch (Bradford),
Joe Westerman (Castleford),
Kirk Yeaman (Hull),=#FF0000NOT ANY MORE
Louie McCarthy Scarsbrook (Harlequins),
Eorl Crabtree (Huddersfield),
Paul Sykes (Bradford),=#FF0000NO
Willie Manu (Hull FC),=#FF0000SERIOUSLY?????? NO
Kyle Eastmond (Saints),
James Graham (Saints),
James Roby (Saints),
Scott Moore (Saints),
Jon Wilkin (Saints).=#FF0000NO NO NO NO NO NO'"
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Interesting Stat for those who dont rate Manu or dont think he brings something different to the back row position...
Tackle Busts This Season
1 Willie Manu - 86
2 Rangi Chase - 75
3 Sam Tomkins - 73
4 Leon Pryce - 67
5 Stuart Fielden - 65
6 Matt King - 65
7 Pat Richards - 63
8 Ryan Hall - 63
9 James Roby - 62
10 Peter Fox - 62
11 Ryan Atkins - 56
12 Kyle Eastmond - 56
13 Jason Demetriou - 55
14 Epalahame Lauaki - 51
15 Jordan Tansey - 50
16 Joel Tomkins - 50 - The nearest English back rower.'"
[size=150He's not ENGLISH[/size
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| Is this the rough breakdown of positions? Presumably Ellis, Burgess and Widdop will be added to the squad?
[uFull Backs[/u
Lee Smith (Leeds)
Ben Jones-Bishop (Harlequins RL),
Paul Sykes (Bradford)???
[uWingers[/u
Tom Briscoe (Hull FC),
Jodie Broughton (Salford),
Leroy Cudjoe (Huddersfield),
Peter Fox (Hull KR),
Ryan Hall (Leeds),
[uCentres[/u
Chris Bridge (Warrington),
Michael Shenton (Castleford),
Ryan Atkins (Warrington),
Tony Clubb (Harlequins RL),
Kirk Yeaman (Hull),
[uHalfBacks[/u
Danny McGuire (Leeds),
Sam Tomkins (Wigan),
Kevin Brown (Huddersfield),
Richard Myler (Warrington),
Kyle Eastmond (Saints),
[uHookers[/u
Shaun Lunt (Huddersfield),
James Roby (Saints),
Scott Moore (Saints),
[uProps[/u
Adrian Morley (Warrington),
Jamie Peacock (Leeds),
Nick Scruton (Bradford),
Gareth Carvell (Warrington),
Ben Harrison (Warrington)?????
Andy Lynch (Bradford),
James Graham (Saints),
Louie McCarthy Scarsbrook (Harlequins),
[uBack Rowers[/u
Ben Westwood (Warrington),
Eorl Crabtree (Huddersfield),
Willie Manu (Hull FC),
Jon Wilkin (Saints).
Sean O`Loughlin (Wigan),
Kevin Sinfield (Leeds),
Jamie Langley (Bradford),
Joe Westerman (Castleford),
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| Quote ="bigtruck"[size=150He's not ENGLISH[/size'"
Who said he was?
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| Quote ="bigtruck"
Chris Bridge (Warrington), NO
Tom Briscoe (Hull FC),NO
Ryan Hall (Leeds),
Sean O`Loughlin (Wigan),
Danny McGuire (Leeds),NO
Adrian Morley (Warrington),
Jamie Peacock (Leeds),
Nick Scruton (Bradford),
Michael Shenton (Castleford),
Kevin Sinfield (Leeds),JUST
Sam Tomkins (Wigan),
Ben Westwood (Warrington),NO
Shaun Lunt (Huddersfield),
Kevin Brown (Huddersfield),NO
Richard Myler (Warrington),NWISH I COULD SAY NO BUT NO OTHER OPTIONS
Ryan Atkins (Warrington),NO
Jodie Broughton (Salford),NO
Leroy Cudjoe (Huddersfield),NO
Peter Fox (Hull KR),
Lee Smith (Leeds),NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Gareth Carvell (Warrington),
Ben Harrison (Warrington),NO
Jamie Langley (Bradford),NO
Tony Clubb (Harlequins RL),NO
Ben Jones-Bishop (Harlequins RL),NOish
Andy Lynch (Bradford),
Joe Westerman (Castleford),
Kirk Yeaman (Hull),NOT ANY MORE
Louie McCarthy Scarsbrook (Harlequins),
Eorl Crabtree (Huddersfield),
Paul Sykes (Bradford),NO
Willie Manu (Hull FC),SERIOUSLY?????? NO
Kyle Eastmond (Saints),
James Graham (Saints),
James Roby (Saints),
Scott Moore (Saints),
Jon Wilkin (Saints).NO NO NO NO NO NO
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Give us your 40 names then please.
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| Joel Tomkins wasn't there presumably because he was up before the disciplinary.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Who said he was?'"
Steve Mcnamara apparently.....
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| Quote ="headhunter"He's right though. RL doesn't even have an international federation.'"
I agree but he always puts RL down and compares it to yawnion.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Snip'"
You've got Crabtree and Harrison the wrong way around.
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| Quote ="bigtruck"Steve Mcnamara apparently.....'"
Did he? Where?
I just assumed he had picked Manu using the current rules and procedures that are in place (much like just about every International RL team). My mistake. Still waiting for those 40 names since the ones selected are not to your liking?
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| Quote ="Fully"You've got Crabtree and Harrison the wrong way around.'"
Thought I had Harrison wrong. Hasn't Crabtree mainly played backrow for Hudds?
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Thought I had Harrison wrong.
Hasn't Crabtree mainly played backrow for Hudds?'"
No, interchange prop.
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| Quote ="headhunter"He's right though. RL doesn't even have an international federation.'"
...apart from the RLIF (since 194icon_cool.gif.
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| for a laugh what other johhny foreigners have played in SL for 5+ years?
Maybe we should just fill the England team with them and complete the misery of England RL fans once and for all!
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| Quote ="bobm"...apart from the RLIF (since 194icon_cool.gif.'" The RLIF can in no way be described as an international federation.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Is this the rough breakdown of positions? Presumably Ellis, Burgess and Widdop will be added to the squad?
[uFull Backs[/u
Lee Smith (Leeds)
Ben Jones-Bishop (Harlequins RL),
Paul Sykes (Bradford)???
[uWingers[/u
Tom Briscoe (Hull FC),
Jodie Broughton (Salford),
Leroy Cudjoe (Huddersfield),
Peter Fox (Hull KR),
Ryan Hall (Leeds),
[uCentres[/u
Chris Bridge (Warrington),
Michael Shenton (Castleford),
Ryan Atkins (Warrington),
Tony Clubb (Harlequins RL),
Kirk Yeaman (Hull),
[uHalfBacks[/u
Danny McGuire (Leeds),
Sam Tomkins (Wigan),
Kevin Brown (Huddersfield),
Richard Myler (Warrington),
Kyle Eastmond (Saints),
[uHookers[/u
Shaun Lunt (Huddersfield),
James Roby (Saints),
Scott Moore (Saints),
[uProps[/u
Adrian Morley (Warrington),
Jamie Peacock (Leeds),
Nick Scruton (Bradford),
Gareth Carvell (Warrington),
Ben Harrison (Warrington)?????
Andy Lynch (Bradford),
James Graham (Saints),
Louie McCarthy Scarsbrook (Harlequins),
[uBack Rowers[/u
Ben Westwood (Warrington),
Eorl Crabtree (Huddersfield),
Willie Manu (Hull FC),
Jon Wilkin (Saints).
Sean O`Loughlin (Wigan),
Kevin Sinfield (Leeds),
Jamie Langley (Bradford),
Joe Westerman (Castleford),'"
Wing is starting to look a lot stronger, still terrible in the centres especially compared to Inglis. Full-back iffy, Halves starting to look a lot better. Forwards have never really been our problem. Can't really think of any top emerging centres either.
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"Wing is starting to look a lot stronger, still terrible in the centres especially compared to Inglis. Full-back iffy, Halves starting to look a lot better. Forwards have never really been our problem. Can't really think of any top emerging centres either.'"
Wings a lot stronger?
I beg to differ, our three quarters are absolutely diabolical.
Compared to Inglis, Tonga, Tahu, Jennings, Scott and they were the only ones to play In Origin. Missing out Lyon, Gasnier, Folau et al.
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