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im not talking about playing games at a soccer ground and paying rent
im talking about a soccer club have a RL club attached. like wrexham have done with crusaders more like
id rather try getting soccer fans watching league than union fans.
brentford treated the RL club with disdain eg reseeding and making them lose home games.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Charlton Athletic/Brentford.....both tried and pretty much failed, so there is no basis to try it again unless there is real (long term) money behind it.
Harlequins is really the last stop for this version of Pro RL in London. As has been pointed out, the failure to put bums on seats over the last 15 years has caused this and the clubs failure to realise that it was important to raise the PROFILE of the game in the media is the single biggest disappointment.
A perfect example of this was when the Club played at Brentford and actually had a champion in a senior position at METRO......this relationship (they were once shirt sponsors) was simply left to die........I mean OK, Advertising costs can be high, but when you have someone in a position to get you coverage in a 1,000,000 circulation daily paper you look after them.......as it is, Metro in London hardly touches on League.
All the investment over the years and the revenue from jerseys/beer/food etc may as well have been p1ssed up against the wall, because if Quins aren't over a minimum average of 5k by the second half of this season then they will be on very thin ice.'"
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| Quote I am interested why Lewis has felt the need to come out with this article'"
I will tell you why because he a strategic thinker heading up the game. He understands the power of Sky and the need to expand the game for them and indirectly us.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"I will tell you why because he a strategic thinker heading up the game. He understands the power of Sky and the need to expand the game for them and indirectly us.
Difficult for a road sweeper in Yorkshire and a spanner mechanic in Lancashire to understand as they seem to be able to see no further than the back playing field.'" an under achieving club in london & a failed club in s.wales dont sell sky dishes.nor does a club in france playing in a comp called SL when anyone outside catalan dosn't even know what sport it is.
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Expansion is important, but clubs that can regularly attract 10k plus crowds is just, if not more important.
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| Quote ="Big Ask"Expansion is important, but clubs that can regularly attract 10k plus crowds is just, if not more important.'"
lets get heartland clubs averaging 10,000 first before we think expansion clubs should |
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| Quote ="dally messenger"lets get heartland clubs averaging 10,000 first before we think expansion clubs should'"
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| Quote ="dally messenger":25vcs8h3lets get heartland clubs averaging 10,000 first before we think expansion clubs should'" , as they dont have a ready made excuse
What you have to ask is , would we rather have poor performing SL expansion clubs , just for the sake of saying we are expanding the top level of the sport , or would we be better having better performing lower tier clubs ?
Some on here suggest that only by being in the top tier can these expansion clubs build themselves , then the same people suggest that lower level heartland clubs should be able to achieve similar results without being in the top tier
Double standards methinks
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|  Quins are vital to the future of the game, no Quins Cats or Crusaders he top flight in then forget big blue chip sponsorship deals and future national exposure, the game will simply revert back to being a marginalised northern game. The game is doomed without a viable national presence in the SL |
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Starbug, it's also the player pathways.
We need a southern club, im not quite sure Quins appears to be it
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| Quote ="spooneryork":1f6ogtqeicon_smile.gif =#FF0000:1f6ogtqeQuins are vital to the future of the game:1f6ogtqe, no Quins Cats or Crusaders he top flight in then forget big blue chip sponsorship deals and future national exposure, the game will simply revert back to being a marginalised northern game. The game is doomed without a viable national presence in the SL'" , when the RFL have set that as a criteria , and with the unlikely increase in Tv funding eventually they will run out of benefactors to bankroll them
Much as it would have many fans at both Championship and SL level knashing thier teeth in anger , the RFL should declare the Quins a ' special ' case and start to put monies into marketing them properly in the capital |
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| Quote ="Dico"Starbug, it's also the player pathways.
We need a southern club, im not quite sure Quins appears to be it'"
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Much as it would have many fans at both Championship and SL level knashing thier teeth in anger , the RFL should declare the Quins a ' special ' case and start to put monies into marketing them properly in the capital'"
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Best way forward, finding the funds to do this might not be easy though.'"
Well considering that the inclusion of Quins increases the SKy money available ' according to some on here ' , I'd have thought that should be the 1 st port of call , £ 80 K each from the other 13 clubs should be a start
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Not having a go, but can't see London RL ever working personally. When you can't fill a Cup Final allocation in your own city and are still getting 3500 in the top flight after 30 years, surely you know it's never going to take off.
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| Quote ="Roofs"Not having a go, but can't see London RL ever working personally. When you can't fill a Cup Final allocation in your own city and are still getting 3500 in the top flight after 30 years, surely you know it's never going to take off.'"
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| Quote ="Gazemous"How many international RL players have Hull KR produced in the past four years?'"
Irrelivant if you cannot pay your way in the chosen field , which is another problem HKR seem to have in common with most other clubs , both SL and Championship
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| Quote ="Starbug"Irrelivant if you cannot pay your way in the chosen field , which is another problem HKR seem to have in common with most other clubs , both SL and Championship
Will players from the south result in people watching Quins ?'"
My point was more to do with "Roofs"' suggestion that London RL would ever work. Even though they have developed more recent England RL internationals than KR - a clear indicator that RL is developing and working in the capital |
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Well I haven’t read all the pages but I thought I’d add my view.
Rugby League in London is progressively gaining momentum. I totally agree with the Harlequins argument in that they don’t represent London as their base is predominately in the South East London/Surrey direction. Re: London Skolars, a combination of poor playing standard, very poor training facilities and the mammoth trips made by the players every week to the likes of Workington, York etc.. Makes attracting players very difficult obviously. Plus the travelling distance to training on a night from the strong bed of Rugby League in the likes of Hemel and Brentwood can be a nightmare in traffic.
However the RFL are putting in place the framework to develop the younger players. There are 2 development camps in London, split into North and South for the development of the best players at U13 level, who gain 2 hours a week of specific rugby training. A proposal to increase this to other age groups next year is the target.
Then there is St Marys University who promote Rugby League, with Middlesex University recently setting up a Rugby League team also - there is a link below for a Rugby League open day at Middlesex University. Then there is Southgate College in North London which is hopefully going to become a pathway for prospective Middlesex Students from the college.
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Well I haven’t read all the pages but I thought I’d add my view.
Rugby League in London is progressively gaining momentum. I totally agree with the Harlequins argument in that they don’t represent London as their base is predominately in the South East London/Surrey direction. Re: London Skolars, a combination of poor playing standard, very poor training facilities and the mammoth trips made by the players every week to the likes of Workington, York etc.. Makes attracting players very difficult obviously. Plus the travelling distance to training on a night from the strong bed of Rugby League in the likes of Hemel and Brentwood can be a nightmare in traffic.
However the RFL are putting in place the framework to develop the younger players. There are 2 development camps in London, split into North and South for the development of the best players at U13 level, who gain 2 hours a week of specific rugby training. A proposal to increase this to other age groups next year is the target.
Then there is St Marys University who promote Rugby League, with Middlesex University recently setting up a Rugby League team also - there is a link below for a Rugby League open day at Middlesex University. Then there is Southgate College in North London which is hopefully going to become a pathway for prospective Middlesex Students from the college.
www.skolarsrl.com/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=57 | |
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Also an awful lot of schools are playing League instead of union now. Think contested scrums being the reason.
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having teams in wales, france and london is good for the long term
fulham was clearly the best guise of the london RL team as the soccer fans appeared to jump on board
thats why i suggested linking up with a soccer club.
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| Quote ="Gazemous"My point was more to do with "Roofs"' suggestion that London RL would ever work. Even though they have developed more recent England RL internationals than KR -=#FF0000 a clear indicator that RL is developing and working in the capital'"
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Quote ="inanykindofweather"Well I haven’t read all the pages but I thought I’d add my view.
Rugby League in London is progressively gaining momentum. I totally agree with the Harlequins argument in that they don’t represent London as their base is predominately in the South East London/Surrey direction. Re: London Skolars, a combination of poor playing standard, very poor training facilities and the mammoth trips made by the players every week to the likes of Workington, York etc.. Makes attracting players very difficult obviously. Plus the travelling distance to training on a night from the strong bed of Rugby League in the likes of Hemel and Brentwood can be a nightmare in traffic.
However the RFL are putting in place the framework to develop the younger players. There are 2 development camps in London, split into North and South for the development of the best players at U13 level, who gain 2 hours a week of specific rugby training. A proposal to increase this to other age groups next year is the target.
Then there is St Marys University who promote Rugby League, with Middlesex University recently setting up a Rugby League team also - there is a link below for a Rugby League open day at Middlesex University. Then there is Southgate College in North London which is hopefully going to become a pathway for prospective Middlesex Students from the college.
www.skolarsrl.com/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=57'"
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Rugby League in London is progressively gaining momentum. I totally agree with the Harlequins argument in that they don’t represent London as their base is predominately in the South East London/Surrey direction. Re: London Skolars, a combination of poor playing standard, very poor training facilities and the mammoth trips made by the players every week to the likes of Workington, York etc.. Makes attracting players very difficult obviously. Plus the travelling distance to training on a night from the strong bed of Rugby League in the likes of Hemel and Brentwood can be a nightmare in traffic.
However the RFL are putting in place the framework to develop the younger players. There are 2 development camps in London, split into North and South for the development of the best players at U13 level, who gain 2 hours a week of specific rugby training. A proposal to increase this to other age groups next year is the target.
Then there is St Marys University who promote Rugby League, with Middlesex University recently setting up a Rugby League team also - there is a link below for a Rugby League open day at Middlesex University. Then there is Southgate College in North London which is hopefully going to become a pathway for prospective Middlesex Students from the college.
www.skolarsrl.com/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=57'"
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Quins are vital to the future of the game, no Quins Cats or Crusaders he top flight in then forget big blue chip sponsorship deals and future national exposure, the game will simply revert back to being a marginalised northern game. The game is doomed without a viable national presence in the SL
