yes, one club realises the reality of players moving clubs, the other wants to portray itself as a victim to big bullys rather than get itself sorted



no, its your assertion, its your job to back it up with evidence, if you dont have it, you dont have it, and it shows that your argument was based on nothing more than what you would like to be true, rather than what is

err yes, it is only my opinion that players who didnt come through wakefields youth academy didnt come through wakefields youth academy

that and a self evident statement

No it shows that I do not want to become involved in a long protracted argument with some non entity who only wants to believe what he/she believes and won't be told any different.

As I said, if you are so interested then go and do the homework yourself.

Back at ya bitch.

its not my assertion, Im not going to go to the trouble of doing your work, for you,

if your argument was backed up by evidence you would have it, you clearly dont so why not just admit it?

if you knew for a fact there was many more players than the six you listed, you would know who they were

I do know who they are, I've been around or nearby to see most of them come through the system.

I'm more than happy that any statements I've made are true and factual.
If you think you can prove my statements to be wrong then knock yourself out.

I feel no compunction to humour you neither do I feel any obligation to justify Wakefield Trinity's Jr development record by writing lists of players who have played first-team football, I'm really not that sad!

Good luck

So Pitts who played 15 out of 16 games doesnt count as a player that has came through the academy and established himself as a regular first team player at Wakefield,i think most people would disagree.

You know the funny thing here.


I laugh when I think of Wakefield developing junior players, yet they develop junior players ten time better than Hull FC!

Sad.....

I wish we wouldn't post things like this on the terrace. It just opens the discussion up to people who want to disprove what is being said.

Wakefield are happy with the current youth development. We can only beat the other teams in the league, win the trophy and sign the players. The rest is in the future. Why look for approval from other club supporters. It's there as a fact, we have done well.

As for previous youth development, of course we have had one, it isn't as big a system as Leeds or Wigan but it is there and we produce good players, not all world beaters but some are. Let's be proud of that too.

What difference does it makes if pitts is now at leeds? wakefield still developed him as a player, and he was a first team regular. Just because he is no longer at wakefield that doesnt mean that he wasnt developed by wakefield from academy into regular first team level. Did brough come through the wakefield academy? yes. is he a first teamer at wakefield now? yes.

My god smokey i forgot how good you were at twisting things to breaking point until they fit your argument.

Still cant be bothered the wakey fans can argue with you whilst you try to paint black as white and up as down.

ahh yes, the old 'i know its true but im keeping why a secret' argument,

pathetic

really? you think a player is classed as a first team regular after 15 games?

Pitts may go on to be a regular SL player, he may not, but he certainly hasnt made it as an SL player after 15 games

not yet, which is
the important part, he could have, he now wont, he cant yet be classed as a first team player, Watkins, BJB, Allen are at the same stage at Leeds, Tomkins at Wigan, Eastmond at Wakefield

it's not secret, the information is there all thats needed is for you to go and do the research.

Eastmond at Wakefield? Do you know something we don't know?

Kear has stated that he is happy to run with a squad of approximately 21/22 with the addition of 7 players from the academy winning side. Therefore you'd imagine that the likes of Murphy & Morton will get games in the backs again and possibly a couple of games for either Southernwood or Davy if/when some of our pivots get injured.

Initially the lads will struggle to make the 17 man squad, but a few older players (Demetriou, Morrison, Henderson, Newton) are coming to the end of their careers. By that time i'd hope some of those academy players will have developed and progressed sufficiently to take over the mantle and become regulars in the 17.

I for one cannot wait to see this batch develop.

John Kear and Ted Richardson also stated that there will be a number of additional signings announced in November.

Interesting stuff

No not just 15 games in Super League,but a possible 15 games out of 16 this season at Wakefield -- that would suggest in the eyes of the coach he was considered a first team regular.

you can't educate pork

The most truthful comment written today.

hopefully so

well maybe you have lower expectations than i do, but i still think Pitts has a great deal to prove and a great deal further to go

Whether they still have a great deal to go/prove is irelevant.

Dale Ferguson still has to do the above -- but you consider him a regular.


My expectations are also irelevant,but 15 out of 16 games shows he was a regular.

The sad thing about this thread is that ... in the past 3 or 4 seasons both Castleford and Wakefield Trinity have made MASSIVE strides in the development of junior grade rugby league... adding two more centres of excellence (... and... I understand that word may be contetious in the eyes of our aussie cousins) and creating an additionall competiticve environment for the best young players in the UK to develop into good first grade players.

the focus should be on the future ... not the past!