That was NOT the argument and you know it ,

I did not say the route has been removed , I did say that location has now become a part of that route

WHICH IT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY , OR ARE YOU SAYING IT WAS ?

YOU JOINED INTO A DISCUSSION WITHOUT READING AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED ,YOU SHOWED YOUR 4RSE

LIVE WITH IT

SEE I CAN SHOUT AS WELL

HTPYW.

1. Before franchising, there was no guaranteed way of getting into SL. This is shown by the number of seasons without promotion.

2. After fanchising their is a guaranteed way of getting into SL.

Why is 1. good and 2. Bad?

From around 1998 to 2007

If you had a decent stadia , finacial backing and you won the NL 1 GF you were not guaranteed to enter SL ?

Now

If you now have a decent stadium , financial backing and you win the 2010 Championship Gf you are guaranteed to enter SL in 2012 ?

Give us a clue then

1. How often did that happen in a decade? (and how many of those times were rules relaxed thanks to promises from clubs, since shown to be pie in the sky)

And ultimately the whole league, promotion campaign and years of work could come down to a good or bad day (or even a bad refs call) on a single game.

Complete, and utter lottery.

2. Get a Grade A licence (probably B at this stage) and you are in, no matter what. Something definate, achievable, structured and just the sort of thing all sorts of money men like to see.

Imagine its the Dragons Den, which pitch will get the money, the lottery of the a grand final, or the surety of a licence?

Because that would never happen with franchising!

8 out of 10, Wakefield,Widnes,Huddersfield,Salford,Leigh,Cas,HKR,Cas all took their place in SL

Hunslet were refused and Dewsbury declined

So which clubs out of the the 8 promoted promised something they didn't deliver ? , did any of them go bancrupt as a result of their promotion ?

The only rule relaxed was the requirement for 2,000 seats which was changed for Cas as they only have around 1,500

Hardly life changing

Out of those 8 only Leigh and Cas finished bottom of SL the following year which is only the same as the Catalans and Salford/Celtic have done

You say get a B grade licence and you are in , strange as most considered that Widnes did get a grade b last year , but the RFL refused to give out the score they or any other club not given a franchise

If you remove the location criteria then Widnes most definatley would have scored a B , and considering that is the point of the argument you are wrong

I doubt very much any ' Dragon ' would go anywhere near any sports club as they are not that stupid , but I can guarantee they would not enter into any business were there were restrictions on its growth set by a governing body like the RFL

because most ignored their total financial meltdown, and made wild guesses based on anything but their actual franchise application – which of course, they'd not seen.



Yes, because the grading of licenses, and the criteria they were graded on, were not the same as the awarding of licenses.

It's a bit like saying: "Ok, I failed to qualify for a degree: but did I get a first or a lower second?" Meaningless.

Wakefield promised a new stadium when they got promoted, and this time on their franchise application (and I suspect Salford were in the same boat)

Wakefield also had to go into a CVA after promotion.

Leigh were beggared in all but name after relegation.

Widnes beggared themselves trying to get promotion

Cas would have beggared them selves if they had failed.

The rest of your argument is based on nothing more than your own imaginings.

RL in england cant afford P&R.

if teams in NL1 were fully pro and there wasnt a massive gap in wages maybe it might work, even in soccer relegation can lead to club getting into big financial problems.

as long as lower level clubs have a way to enter SL over time the system can work much better

the current system is actually very well thought out

the RFL just needs to have the guts next time to kick out the SL clubs who have squandered the chance they were given this time for better lower level clubs

SL clubs should be looking over their shoulder and not feel like their SL spot is a god given right

, but if you were still outside SL NOW playing in front of the 1,200 fans you had back in 2002 he would have second thoughts doing it at this moment in time knowing that with a salary cap and no certainty that he would be awarded a franchise because of location is in place

That was the original argument , you and others have tried to change it because you know it is the truth , but you know you are wrong

How about a maths exam , 50 % is a pass , sorry you got 48 % , so you need to try a bit harder next time

Stop talking bollox

Agree completely , although that is not what we are discussing here

Apart from Widnes there are no clubs outside SL that would improve it at the moment

Apart from Celtic there are no clubs in SL that should be replaced by any other club than Widnes

In fact there are only 8/9 true ' Super ' clubs in SL

bit off the mark but dont let that get in the way of your envy

Starbug shows his grasp on reality when he thinks Leigh fans outnumbered the Huddersfield fans at the Galpharm.








Delusional idiocy at best.

:7f9zielp

So go on then how many did you have back in 2002 ?

What was the attendance at the league encounter at the Mc Alpine ?





, a CC final to look forward to , you do occaisionally play some decent RL , and a slowly growing fan base

I am made up for you and hope you can continue to progress and upset a few more so called ' big ' clubs

But the bottom line is without Mr Davy you would be bolloxed at the moment , well done to him , I applaud all and anybody willing to put money into their sporting clubs especially their local ones

Hopefully in the future he wont have to invest as much and you become a fully self sustaining club as I hope so do all clubs be they in SL or outside it

That is the biggest challenge to our sport , then it will still be there for our children and their children to enjoy

Same Question to you then

what was the attendance back in 2002 against Leigh ?

Quote ="Starbug"So go on then how many did you have back in 2002 ? What was the attendance at the league encounter at the Mc Alpine ? '" www.sportnetwork.net/main/s172/st13292.htm Quote With both sides having large vocal backing in the 5,500 crowd, including around 2,500 vociferous Leythers who travelled over the Pennines,'"

Quote ="Starbug"So go on then how many did you have back in 2002 ? What was the attendance at the league encounter at the Mc Alpine ? '" www.sportnetwork.net/main/s172/st13292.htm Quote With both sides having large vocal backing in the 5,500 crowd, including around 2,500 vociferous Leythers who travelled over the Pennines,'"

Or do you mean AT Leigh? 4,446. Do you also remember the Booze ban at that game?

Cheers Wadski

Some teams have outnumbered us at the Galpharm, some massivly.

They were teams from the top of Super League.

Not Leigh.

ever.

Quote ="Code13"Cheers Wadski Some teams have outnumbered us at the Galpharm, some massivly. They were teams from the top of Super League. Not Leigh. ever.'" to be exact 5,402. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... gh_10.html

Quote ="Code13"Cheers Wadski Some teams have outnumbered us at the Galpharm, some massivly. They were teams from the top of Super League. Not Leigh. ever.'" to be exact 5,402. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... gh_10.html

over 5,500 as i remember !!

we also took the same to your place in that season btw

Must say Galpharm's one of my favourite 'modern' style grounds to go to, awesome view and facilities.
Went there as a neutral for a Bulls v Rhinos Semi years ago and atmosphere with the place full was unbelievable.

Only teams I could guess at any point would be Bradford, Leeds, and Cas?

Cas ?? no


Leeds
Bradford
Saints

maybe wigan and maybe hull fc in the 1st couple of years when the rivalry was quite high