Can’t say much for Scully, Lyon and Wellens & Graham. Trent Barrett we all agree was the better player than James Roby that year. Most people will even go as far as saints players get MOS these days before the season has even started. But I just think the roby one was the dodgy one.



I don’t know what the competition was for excellent teams that year sport wise but it was a wonderful result for rugby league no doubt.



The most over rated coach after Wayne Bennett. Wally Lewis could of coached that saints team to the same highs that season!



Yes you are. But Leeds still have a better history overall. Rugby League did not start in 1997.

I've checked out your link to Leeds history.

Now you look at ours.

That debate is over. Saints win.

You are the 2nd best team in Yorkshire if you wanna look at super league history.

It seems for all our awards you have sumat to say against.

For the record I do like Leeds. They are good club, good rugby ground, good fans but no history.

I also respect Leeds for the youth policy and I've liked your last 2 coaches but smith is by far better than mini me.

I think if Leeds keep up with the youth system they will have a good history in bout 10 years.

Your correct rugby didn't start in 1997 but it didn't start only 2 years ago either

And I like St Helens. I’ve checked the history* of the town but not the club. We all have our own opinions. Great debate that has taken up a chunk of the evening.

Cheers and good luck for the rest of the season.



*Someone from St Helens become the president / prime minister of New Zealand.

Just to put you in your place.

I've seen Wigan win more in my lifetime than Saints or Leeds have won in their entire history.

Yes but wigan cheated coz they was all fulltime pros at the time.



When all teams went fulltime you was put in your place.

How many cups have wigan won since the game become even as we all went fulltime?

Yes good luck to you to mate.

Enjoyed the debate.

C ya pal

So I take it you wasn't born after 1996

Another St. Helens urban myth.

How many did Wigan win before they went full time pro?

Rogues?
More like 1896

I don't care mate.

I was avin a debate with damo not you.

I hate wigan and won't have anything to do with them.

They was the only fulltime team thru the 80's and early 90's and won everything coz of it.

They also bought every good player any team had.

Then the game went fulltime with the introduction of super league and wigan has only been champs once since.

Wigan also had a greater salary cap than all other teams when they won super league.

It's no myth that wigan was fulltime! It's fact!

When did Wigan go full time?

Fact!

What does a club have to do then to have history? Because I'm pretty sure Leeds have a long and quite successful history. In fact I'm pretty sure almost all the clubs in Super League and quite a few out of Super League all have history.
Just because a team hasn't won a hat load of trophies doesn't mean they don't have history.

St Pete

Still waiting?

Oh come on, his mummy won't let him use the internet after dark.

Name me one decision he got wrong ?

Wheeler and Greenshields was a 50 / 50 ball. Could of gone either way, luckily it went our way.

The Long and Carlaw decision ?

Carlaw knocks the ball on, it hits his arm then touches the floor. That guys is a knock on



Pelo jumping into touch like a complete loon and both Noble and Davies admitting they dont no the rules of rugby league was yet another decision the ref got spot on

That was shocking, they bring in 'experts' to discuss the finer points of the game, yet they were all clueless when commenting on a straightforward decision.

Luckily Thaler has some knowledge of the rulebook and gave the right call.

You're about 12. FACT.

In all seriousness, that's all rather recent and selective history though isn't it? For a game that has been played for well over 100 years, why pick just the last 10-15 years to compile your historic facts?

How about a few others to offset your selected facts?

First team to win at the old Wembley?

Last team to win at Central Park?

Last 2 teams to beat Saints at Murrayfield?

First British club to win a WCC in Australia?

First British club to win a WCC?

Most Challenge Cups overall?

More league champs than any other team (note not SL champs, but league champs)?

Non-Australian Golden Boot winners?

Only team to win SL and then not get to the Grand Final?

Aye his mum not as cool as mine. Mind you I’m locked in the basement..

This thread is awesome

, its all a conspiracy to keep saints winning all trophies so people wont notice we have no supporters, rubbish ground, cheat in every conceivable way, players are all 78 years old etc. etc.

The Catalans try that was chalked off for a forward pass. The interpretation of 'backwards' seemed a bit variable for a number of knock-ons (Cats)/ dropped balls (Saints). Saints played some sublime Rugby and deserved to win by 15-25. The ref was therefore worth between 9 an 19 points, [iIMO[/i. It didn't alter the result, but it did damage the spectacle.

This happens in all sports for all successful teams, always has, always will. A big team's line is up so quickly because they are aggressive in defence, a little team must be offside. We all want to avoid Saints in the cup both because we know they are a good team, but also because we suspect that those 50/50, benefit of the doubt decisions are likely to go their way. It is a bitter pill, but in RL at least it still gets passed around over the years and decades, which is some consolation.