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| Quote ="desmond decker"oh you knew who i was on about when i mentioned crap then
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Yes I did. Your rugby brain is such that a guy with many Oz caps/SOO caps and GFs would be classed as 'crap' while you seek to pitifully defend the signing of an NRL reserve grader. Keep digging
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"There is some wakey reserve grade player who will not get picked because of an Oz reserve grade player from whom he will probably learn very little. '"
So what reserve grade player are we talking about then? Like it's been said and I'll say it again we have all our capable youngsters playing we are down to the bare bones. I would love us to sign a young capable english talent but there just not available at the moment.
I'm sure if Huddersfield had a mass injury and illness crisis mr uncle sugar daddy would have his check book out like a shot and sign any available aussie before he dipped into the Academy ranks.
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| dont need to dig it must be raining and you the worm has come to the surface this post is nothing but a dig at wakefield thats all too plain to see i think you should concentrate on your own team shuddersfield
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| Quote ="deeHell"So what reserve grade player are we talking about then? Like it's been said and I'll say it again we have all our capable youngsters playing we are down to the bare bones. I would love us to sign a young capable english talent but there just not available at the moment.
I'm sure if Huddersfield had a mass injury and illness crisis mr uncle sugar daddy would have his check book out like a shot and sign any available aussie before he dipped into the Academy ranks.'"
why not go to RU or the championship?
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| Quote ="deeHell"So what reserve grade player are we talking about then? Like it's been said and I'll say it again we have all our capable youngsters playing we are down to the bare bones. I would love us to sign a young capable english talent but there just not available at the moment.
I'm sure if Huddersfield had a mass injury and illness crisis mr uncle sugar daddy would have his check book out like a shot and sign any available aussie before he dipped into the Academy ranks.'"
Wow so this week you don't have a full team?! Or for the next month while FW gets his visa. Plus noone coming back from injury. Nor is there anyone at any other UK club nor any NRL players who are first teamers. Can you provide the link to this information. Will your games be declared null and void?
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| Quote ="desmond decker"dont need to dig it must be raining and you the worm has come to the surface this post is nothing but a dig at wakefield thats all too plain to see i think you should concentrate on your own team shuddersfield'"
The post is about a long established SL club that has £100K for Greg Bird choosing to sign a reserve grader.
When the best argument you can come up with is to call Mick de Vere 'crap' you show your lack of rugby knowledge.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"icon_lol.gif with your lack of knowledge of RL, it doesnt surprise me one bit, though i think this is more an attempt at a cheap shot at leeds, you still a bit upset about getting spanked off the leeds board earlier this week? let it go, its nothing, making ridiculous statements in anger just makes you look even more silly
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all this is lovely, but largely irrellevant to the FACT that Wakefield have gone out and signed a fringe NRL player who cannot be described as anything but a 'punt', this player now takes them up to 10 Overseas players for this season outof a 25 man squad, the NRL has provided more players for wakefield than wakefield have
your argument regard wakefield not being able to afford to scout the UK and bring through players like Leeds do, rings very hollow when they can afford to scout Australia and bring over fringe youngsters to give them a shot, why not go get a british youngster and give them a shot?'"
So why have Leeds got Australian players then fool. Or are you saying it's alright for Leeds to sign the ones they can afford but Wakefield can't. We have a quota spot free we can sign who we want.
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"I am here sweetcheeks
We now have the press cuttings. thanks for them. I looked at his Bulldogs profile and it said no reps honours. (maybe Oz clubs think developmental games are not proper reps games)
If he played for samoa three years ago as a tier 2 country then that may be enough. Box ticked and over he may pop.
Still rather sad that a game for a developmental Samoan side 3 years ago is enough. Not being able to get games in a NRL team that had problems in its back row last year is not an impediment.
If our game is strengthened by bring over reserve grade NRL players so be it
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And Simon Finnigan was produced in Birkby was he?
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"You are so tough. Please don't bully me on the VT.
Back to topic. Is our game served well when a team who has been in SL for a decade has to opt for NRL reserve graders?
After the WC debacle many raised the issue of us bringing in lower quality overseas players. they had a point.
Wakey players like Drew/Petersen/Stosic/Martin have proven NRL records they bring proven ability to the game and can help develop youngsters. Winterstein does not do this.
But given a game in 2006 looks like he will be on his way.'"
That's rich coming from the likes of you.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"what about RU? other clubs youngsters? maybe a player not getting a chance at another SL club? why not france?'"
As I have previously said, the club have in the past looked to the lower tiers for talent, perhaps this time the calibre of player John Kear has picked up from here in the past might not have been there or available this time.
Wakefield have promoted the youth players ready for first team action from the academy into the 25 man squad, the fact that they have not promoted anymore suggests that they are not ready for SL or are not good enough. The better youngsters are often ‘poached’ from the Wakefield Scholarship scheme by neighbouring clubs who offer the academy players more money when it come to signing professional terms.
Regarding a French player, maybe the type of player Trinity wanted and for the money available wasn’t there. It’s far too easy to sit in an ivory tower taking shots at clubs without knowing the full facts of a situation.
Make no mistake I am not exactly pleased with this signing but I understand the reasons as to why it has happened.
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| Quote ="The Clan"And Simon Finnigan was produced in Birkby was he?'"
I very much doubt it
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| Quote ="vastman"That's rich coming from the likes of you.
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That's rich coming from the likes of you.
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| Quote ="vastman"So why have Leeds got Australian players then fool. Or are you saying it's alright for Leeds to sign the ones they can afford but Wakefield can't. We have a quota spot free we can sign who we want.'"
and again, you keep up your streak for grabbing the wrong end of the stick with impressive gusto
Leeds shouldnt sign players who dont add to the league, i have consistantly said we shouldnt be keeping players like Lueluai and Donald because as good a player as they are, they arent vastly better than the youngsters we can find and put in
as for players like Webb, Lauitiiti, Eastwood and Buderus, these are world class players whose presence is of benefit to the league and young british players
and Wakefield would be able to afford a better quality of import if they didnt need 10 of them
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"why not go to RU or the championship?'"
I would imagine any capable Championship player would be under contract and would involve a transfer fee. Has for RU, what English RU player of any decent ability could we afford? Even of we could it wouldn't be practical, he would need a large amount of game time to get up to SL standard, time we just don't have.
We are in a desperate situation and this is our only course of action. The fact this signing wasn't made in the off season tells a story itself.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"icon_lol.gif with your lack of knowledge of RL, it doesnt surprise me one bit, though i think this is more an attempt at a cheap shot at leeds, you still a bit upset about getting spanked off the leeds board earlier this week? let it go, its nothing, making ridiculous statements in anger just makes you look even more silly
see above
all this is lovely, but largely irrellevant to the FACT that Wakefield have gone out and signed a fringe NRL player who cannot be described as anything but a 'punt', this player now takes them up to 10 Overseas players for this season outof a 25 man squad, the NRL has provided more players for wakefield than wakefield have
your argument regard wakefield not being able to afford to scout the UK and bring through players like Leeds do, rings very hollow when they can afford to scout Australia and bring over fringe youngsters to give them a shot, why not go get a british youngster and give them a shot?'"
During the SL era Wakefield have produced a lot of home grown players who have pied their trade in the Sl and one who plays in the NRL.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"No.
A Kolpak player still requires a work permit to enter the UK but once they have that, they have to be given the same employment rights as a EU citizen.'"
Cheers, I stand corrected.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"and again, you keep up your streak for grabbing the wrong end of the stick with impressive gusto
Leeds shouldnt sign players who dont add to the league, i have consistantly said we shouldnt be keeping players like Lueluai and Donald because as good a player as they are, they arent vastly better than the youngsters we can find and put in
as for players like Webb, Lauitiiti, Eastwood and Buderus, these are world class players whose presence is of benefit to the league and young british players
and Wakefield would be able to afford a better quality of import if they didnt need 10 of them'"
No they wouldn't! imports or home grown, they still need paying....arguably the reason we can afford the 'top' imports is because we HAVE some unknown imports on less money than there English counterparts would be!!
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"As I have previously said, the club have in the past looked to the lower tiers for talent, perhaps this time the calibre of player John Kear has picked up from here in the past might not have been there or available this time. '"
thats the price clubs need to pay for not having the requisite talent in the academy structure,
whilstever importing average import squad fillers are allowed, youth development will be secondary
Quote Wakefield have promoted the youth players ready for first team action from the academy into the 25 man squad, the fact that they have not promoted anymore suggests that they are not ready for SL or are not good enough. The better youngsters are often ‘poached’ from the Wakefield Scholarship scheme by neighbouring clubs who offer the academy players more money when it come to signing professional terms.'"
then wakefield need to offer more to keep them! we live in a competitive world, Wakefield need to compete.
And the fact they arent ready or good enough is a failing of wakefields youth systems
Quote Regarding a French player, maybe the type of player Trinity wanted and for the money available wasn’t there. It’s far too easy to sit in an ivory tower taking shots at clubs without knowing the full facts of a situation.'"
Adel Fellous wouldnt have been massively expensive and he has done a job for Hull and Les Catalans or Borlin, why not try and pick up a youngster on loan from an SL club, someone like Ambler? or a young player from the championship Michael Haley who is playing championship rugby this year having played for the rhinos last year
Quote Make no mistake I am not exactly pleased with this signing but I understand the reasons as to why it has happened.'"
i understand the reasons, its easier, and thats the problem, and its also the reason many clubs are still failing to develop enough youngsters
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| Quote ="deeHell"I would imagine any capable Championship player would be under contract and would involve a transfer fee. Has for RU, what English RU player of any decent ability could we afford? Even of we could it wouldn't be practical, he would need a large amount of game time to get up to SL standard, time we just don't have.
We are in a desperate situation and this is our only course of action. The fact this signing wasn't made in the off season tells a story itself.'"
thats the price you pay for not having the requisite talent in the academy,
until you pay that price, there is no need to put the time and effort into the academy and we are left where we are now
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| Quote ="The Clan"During the SL era Wakefield have produced a lot of home grown players who have pied their trade in the Sl and one who plays in the NRL.'"
what would you class as a lot? 30? 40? 50?
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"No they wouldn't! imports or home grown, they still need paying....arguably the reason we can afford the 'top' imports is because we HAVE some unknown imports on less money than there English counterparts would be!!'"
so why arent you bringing in any 'top' imports? why are you still scratching around the 2nd and 3rd string NRL players?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"so why arent you bringing in any 'top' imports? why are you still scratching around the 2nd and 3rd string NRL players?'"
I.E our top imports! Drew, Stotic, Peterson.
Just admit the point you made is wrong!! How can we attract a better class of import by having less of them??? Would really like to know?
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"I.E our top imports! Drew, Stotic, Peterson'"
they arent 'top' quality imports are they, none are close to international class, and its telling, even you only class 30% of your imports are top quality, even you accept 70% of your imports arent really that good
Quote Just admit the point you made is wrong!! How can we attract a better class of import by having less of them??? Would really like to know?'"
its fairly simple, you pool the money you are paying to bring Martin, Peterson, Latu, and Henderson together, you bring in 2 or 3 young british players in who would be cheaper, or you break with tradition and give a youngster or two a first team squad place, and you buy one 'top' quality overseas player in
i thought that was simple enough not to have to explain it, it seems not
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"still, it does pose the question of why Wakefield are willing to take a punt on an untried, untested Samoan, yet not on a young british player'"
Come on, look at the young British players who have played in our openeing fixtures.
Halley (loanee)
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Luke George, Cain Southernwood and Aaron murphy are all in our squad but out injured and of these George and murphy will probably get another taste of first team football this year, though its probably a little too early for Southernwood.
Add to these the likes of Blaymire, Grix and Snitch who aren't exactly old and I'd say that British players get as good a chance at our club as any other in the league.
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| Smokey, you make the assumption that none of the avenues you have detailed have been explored. By the nature of the signings Wakefield have made in the past (bargain basement, players no one else wants, etc) the club are more then adapt at findings players who can do a job for Wakefield from a variety sources for a modest fee. If they were available and of the required standard then they would’ve been recruited.
With regards to retaining youngsters, well that is an issue for the club but unfortunately in this competitive world of ours there is always someone who can afford to pay more. Until the club increase its turnover and improves its profits then this is an area Wakefield will always struggle in.
Also I fail to see how signing an overseas import is any easier then signing a top player on loan from a SL club or signing up a free agent form France. For starters, fed trained and French players do not need a visa!
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