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| Quote ="WarriorWithin"Lomax is a real quality player tbf and has huge potential. Gaskell is not quite at that level yet but has the kicking game required. Lets hope we can produce more before the world cup'"
Any coming through at Wigan?
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| To be honest Widdop did more in his 15minute spell than Chase or Sinfield all game. Chase was poor all game, and to be honest hasn't done anything all tournament. Sinfield's control of the game was appalling. His kicking game was average at best, but ball in hand there was nothing. Hopefully Lomax and Gaskell will mature into international players for two years time.
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| Sarginson looks far more promising than Gaskell.
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| I said it before and now I'll say it again,
Brough should have been at scrum half, once you've selected him there is no need to shoehorn Sinfield into the team. That allows you to play Gareth Widdop at Stand Off where he's been a revelation for Melbourne in the NRL.
The Bough/Widdop partnership is almost a perfect duplication of the Cronk/Widdop partnership that's dominated the NRL.
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| lomax looks the real deal
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| Quote ="The Clan"I said it before and now I'll say it again,
Brough should have been at scrum half, once you've selected him there is no need to shoehorn Sinfield into the team. That allows you to play Gareth Widdop at Stand Off where he's been a revelation for Melbourne in the NRL.
The Bough/Widdop partnership is almost a perfect duplication of the Cronk/Widdop partnership that's dominated the NRL.'"
I feel a little uncomfortable about someone who has already played for one nation so to that end I do not like the fact Brough has played for a full member of the international board and has switched allegiance. He is a confident lad so it bothers me why he felt the need to play for and then abandon Scotland. Surely he would have got a look in for England had he waited or did he want a holiday to Aus for the last World cup?
I say if they have played for a country then they stick to that country.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Agree Chase isn't up to scratch. I'm very concerned though if Lomax and Gaskell are the best we've got coming through to replace him..'"
What have you got against Lomax and Gaskell? Neither has played a full season at first grade yet (and Lomax had never played at 7 before 2011) but Lomax still got Young Player of the Year award so presumably he showed some talent!
Gaskell has pulled off some beauties in terms of his kicking but is still raw and needs time. There could be other halves out there too but they will all be in the same position because we have no halves out there who are older than them but capable of playing at international level.
More teams need to focus on bringing young players through in our key positions rather than doing what Wigan have done yet again and importing to the backline. There will be centres, wingers and halfbacks out there but only a few teams are bringing them through at present.
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| My team is more guilty than many others but if we don't get the overseas quota down to a max of three per club we will NEVER have enough Tallent available to be the best in the world.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"What have you got against Lomax and Gaskell? Neither has played a full season at first grade yet (and Lomax had never played at 7 before 2011) but Lomax still got Young Player of the Year award so presumably he showed some talent!
Gaskell has pulled off some beauties in terms of his kicking but is still raw and needs time. There could be other halves out there too but they will all be in the same position because we have no halves out there who are older than them but capable of playing at international level.
More teams need to focus on bringing young players through in our key positions rather than doing what Wigan have done yet again and importing to the backline. There will be centres, wingers and halfbacks out there but only a few teams are bringing them through at present.'"
I have nothing against them, just don't think they will be International class, sorry about that
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| I think we lack a half back combination that is prepared to run at the line and inject some pace into the back line. I'm a Cas fan and chase shouldn't have been SH. Yes he's had an outstanding season for us but playing at SO with and experienced SH inside him.
Having seen lomax a few times this season he plays with pace and isn't afraid to take the line on, the same can be said for brough. Widdop MUST play at SO. We need to get some dog into our defence and as much as it pains me to say it, someone like Ryan bailey could have added that.
Why we stand off the Aussies and let them play, continually kick to a player instead of into space, we don't slow them down at the ptb. All these things they do to us but we don't/won't reciprocate! As the old adage goes...get into them!
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| Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"Any coming through at Wigan?'"
We have high hopes for Joe Mellor. I'm hoping he's blooded in the first team this season because if there's one critism of MM he didnt blood some some of the younger players last season when he could/should have.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"What have you got against Lomax and Gaskell? Neither has played a full season at first grade yet (and Lomax had never played at 7 before 2011) but Lomax still got Young Player of the Year award so presumably he showed some talent!
Gaskell has pulled off some beauties in terms of his kicking but is still raw and needs time. There could be other halves out there too but they will all be in the same position because we have no halves out there who are older than them but capable of playing at international level.
More teams need to focus on bringing young players through in our key positions rather than doing what Wigan have done yet again and importing to the backline. There will be centres, wingers and halfbacks out there but only a few teams are bringing them through at present.'"
Ahh yet another dig at Wigan. Thats not like you is it ?
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| I wonder how Rangi would have done playing at fullback thats waht he got man of steel for. And there were others that weren't up to scratch why target Chase?
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| F me, utter trash. Got to be the worst HB pairing Ive ever seen for England. How many chances to Sinfield need to be given at this level. He's not upto it, no matter where he plays, 6, 9 or 13. Crap.
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| Widdop should have played 6 and Brough should have played 7. Bloody Sinfield and Chase.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"I have nothing against them, just don't think they will be International class, sorry about that
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Ok. Different question. Why do you think they won't be international class (whatever that means) after not even a full season at first grade and having not watched them in every match of that season?
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| Quote ="WarriorWithin"Ahh yet another dig at Wigan. Thats not like you is it ?'"
Stop being paranoid. I've just learned that Wigan have just signed a foreign centre. Had Hull FC just announced the signing of a foreign centre then I would have referred to Hull FC.
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| Lomax is awesome at 7 and widdop is aweasome at 6 i dont see us having a problem there tbf for the future! Our fringes where bad whenever they got wide they looked like scoring.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Ok. Different question. Why do you think they won't be international class (whatever that means) after not even a full season at first grade and having not watched them in every match of that season?'"
From what I have seen, I don't think they look particularly good at Rugby League and won't pose any threat to any Australian side. Is that OK with you?
Obviously I bow to your superior knowledge as you are right, I haven't watched them in every match of the previous season - have you been stalking them all year to make sure you know the ins and outs of everything about them? I look forward to you having absolutely no opinion on any opposition side or player next year seeing as you won't have seen every match of theirs. The forums will be a much better place without your drivel.
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| i'd be concerned if gaskell is out future england stand off too.. he's nowhere near that standard yet.. lomax on the other hand is an excellent prospect, but i'm not convinced he's a half back either..
widdop too has done very little (in albeit very limited gametime) but for me i don't think he's international class either.. personally i think playing sinfield at halfback is very negative for me, from the squad he picked i'd have gone with widdop and chase at halfback though..
the fact is if a list was compromised of the best half backs in the world.. there's probably about twenty names before you reach either of chase, widdop and sinfield
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| I said before the tournament that Lomax and Brough should have been selected. People laughed at me.
I don't think you can blame McNamara for selecting Chase; he was fantastic in the Super League but sadly couldn't replicate this in the International calender. Hopefully we'll see him back to his best in future international competitions.
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| Quote ="justarugbyfan"I said before the tournament that Lomax and Brough should have been selected. People laughed at me.'"
They will still be laughing at you. I certainly am.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"They will still be laughing at you. I certainly am.'"
Why? They are two good players. Lomax certainly deserved a shot.
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| Wasn't Lomax injured for the series?
And Brough's form at the end of the season was bloody awful, if he'd been selected there'd have been outrage on here about picking on form etc.
Sometimes they can't win!
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| Quote ="Goochie"Wasn't Lomax injured for the series?
And Brough's form at the end of the season was bloody awful, if he'd been selected there'd have been outrage on here about picking on form etc.
Sometimes they can't win!'"
Lomax was withdrew through injury
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