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| Quote ="gutterfax"richmond were the first pro union club in britain and were bust within 3 years......in the following 15 years wasps, sale and a few others have had their owners grumble loudly about expense, yet they are all still there, throwing cash after more cash into black holes......god knows why.
If Nigel wray were to let wasps fold, I can assure you the game wouldn't 'fold" as per your prediction......Union is inherently wealthy from the ground up, with most clubs owning their own grounds or having long term deals that suit them. The international game is a mammoth and even compares favourably with wendyball when it comes to attendances.....sponsor flock to be associated with it and next year they will shift a fair few white shirts with roses on them.....just because you WANT them to fold doesn't mean they will. They have a TV deal that is managed well, a European comp that is popular and even the piddly little unions like scotland managed to turn over more than the RFL....wanting them to fail is fine, but predicting based on your hatred of the game is a pointless.'"
Don't follow union closely but did read a bit about the upping of their SC when it first made the papers. A couple of their journos reckon there's perhaps three premiership clubs capable of spending to the new level. So, if that's true I think you're right: I doubt any clubs will go bust as a result as it sounds like most won't be shelling out.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Do the ARL fund NRL academies'"
They fund the warl $1.1mill a year, whoch helps with the SG ball pirates costs and pay for 5 development officers in WA. So yes they do here. In wa
the aru have just cut the forces academy funding due to lack of resources lol. That lions tour obviously Not the cash cow they were hoping.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Souths averaging 50,000 now?
He will be seen by.more tv viewer's in englands opening.rwc game.than.will see him in.an.entire nrl season.........hes fone to.a.bigger game'"
I'm sure the one off experience of all those people watching on TV will be outstanding for him, then he can go back to the drudgery of weekly union club football at a hovel in a little town.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"I'm sure the one off experience of all those people watching on TV will be outstanding for him, then he can go back to the drudgery of weekly union club football at a hovel in a little town.'"
The irony of someone from a country that gets its culture from a yoghurt pot slagging off bath is quite humerous.
Hes on more cash and will be seen and known by more people..........your opinion doesnt marry well with FACT in this instance.
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| I now watch it infrequently because of all of the above, I am irritated by Rod Studds smirking and condescending quips which he obviously thinks are humorous.
Studds lack of knowledge is startling and he is a prime example of the 'boys club' that operates within the SKY team. It seems that once in its harder to get out and a job for life is a given. Shaun McRae was another example of this, if he came back to the UK tomorrow Eddie would be straight onto him and Neville and McRae would be back on the team before he touched down at Heathrow.
Time for a revamp of the show, which is a good format hampered by those presenting it, and time for a clear out of the commentators with Carney, Wells, Clarke surviving while Barry Mac, ToC, Kear, Cullen, Arthur and especially Hemmings, Stephenson and Studd being punted.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Time for a revamp of the show, which is a good format hampered by those presenting it, and time for a clear out of the commentators with Carney, Wells, Clarke surviving while Barry Mac, ToC, Kear, Cullen, Arthur and especially Hemmings, Stephenson and Studd being punted.'"
I'd ditch Clarke too, otherwise agree 100%. Cummings I'd probably keep although were the others replaced by sentient beings there'd probably be no need for him.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"
Hes on more cash .'"
From playing at the likes of suncorp, aami, allianz and his home ground of anz stadium to calling this home. You'd better believe he is going for more cash lol
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| As I said. More money and better known......and playing to 60,000 empty seats at anz is what he currently gets.......doubt twickenham has ever been that sply populated. 4,500,000+ tv audience for the 6 nations, rwc seen by millions around the world and did I mention, MORE MONEY?
More australians will know who he is after the world cup
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| Quote ="gutterfax"As I said. More money and better known......and playing to 60,000 empty seats at anz is what he currently gets.......doubt twickenham has ever been that sply populated. 4,500,000+ tv audience for the 6 nations, rwc seen by millions around the world and did I mention, MORE MONEY?
More australians will know who he is after the world cup'"
He'll be on more money. Fan base is questionable, you can't start comparing union internationals to NRL's lowest attendances. Sam burgess is a huge name over there. Let's be honest the England union team are only really known at moment for the 2011 WC. They not exactly back page material. Jonny Wilkinsons, Matt Dawsons are gone.
If he makes it in the England WC yes he will be playing in front of bigger crowds. But he'll be touching the ball twice a game if lucky. And he'll come back to league a worse player like normally happens. But hey, more money...
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"He'll be on more money. Fan base is questionable, you can't start comparing union internationals to NRL's lowest attendances. Sam burgess is a huge name over there. Let's be honest the England union team are only really known at moment for the 2011 WC. They not exactly back page material. Jonny Wilkinsons, Matt Dawsons are gone.
If he makes it in the England WC yes he will be playing in front of bigger crowds. But he'll be touching the ball twice a game if lucky. And he'll come back to league a worse player like normally happens. But hey, more money...'"
Interested to know where you think sam burgess is a huge name? I can assure you he isnt a huge.name in Australia.........maybe in sydney but not in brisbane, victoria, perth, darwin Adelaide or any.of the.other major cities......
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Interested to know where you think sam burgess is a huge name? I can assure you he isnt a huge.name in Australia.........maybe in sydney but not in brisbane, victoria, perth, darwin Adelaide or any.of the.other major cities......'"
Sam Burgess isn't a big name Brisbane, the national sport of that city. Some of the stuff you come out with is laughable Gutter. At least try and balance your arguments.
Bit like saying Sam Tomkins was only a big name in Wigan and people in Hull, Leeds didn't know who he was.
Think he will struggle to cope with the media attention as people from Newcastle, to Leeds will be climbing over themselves to watch the mighty Bath in their state of the art stadium in a crowd South Sydney could only dream of...
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Sam Burgess isn't a big name Brisbane, the national sport of that city. Some of the stuff you come out with is laughable Gutter. At least try and balance your arguments.
Bit like saying Sam Tomkins was only a big name in Wigan and people in Hull, Leeds didn't know who he was.
Think he will struggle to cope with the media attention as people from Newcastle, to Leeds will be climbing over themselves to watch the mighty Bath in their state of the art stadium in a crowd South Sydney could only dream of...'"
Sam Tomkins is not a massive name in hull or leeds, cities.that have better supported soccer teams than rugby.league. as for burgess and union.....I.simply said he would be better known and better paid and he will be. Brisbaneites know queensland players and have little care for english players in nsw that arent even a draw in sydney.....you really do have an.inflated opinion of the.appeal.of rl in Australia......even the fumbleballers drew a bigger crowd in sydney.this weekend than the reigning nrl champs
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Sam Tomkins is not a massive name in hull or leeds, cities.that have better supported soccer teams than rugby.league. as for burgess and union.....I.simply said he would be better known and better paid and he will be. Brisbaneites know queensland players and have little care for english players in nsw that arent even a draw in sydney.....you really do have an.inflated opinion of the.appeal.of rl in Australia......even the fumbleballers drew a bigger crowd in sydney.this weekend than the reigning nrl champs'"
Joke reply's now, credibility lost, stop digging
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Joke reply's now, credibility lost, stop digging'"
Hull and leeds are cities that have better supported soccer teams than rl teams
Brisbaneites really care little for.anyone other than queenslanders.....a pome player in NSW is of.little.interest to them...quade cooper is more important to them.
Sydney swans attracted a.bigger crowd than sydney roosters thia.weekend....
What of the.three above is a joke?
Because.you.dont like it doesnt make it less true....
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Hull and leeds are cities that have better supported soccer teams than rl teams
Brisbaneites really care little for.anyone other than queenslanders.....a pome player in NSW is of.little.interest to them...quade cooper is more important to them.
Sydney swans attracted a.bigger crowd than sydney roosters thia.weekend....
What of the.three above is a joke?
Because.you.dont like it doesnt make it less true....'"
Well the first point, hull are Leeds get bigger soccer crowds, what's that got to do with them not knowing who Sam Tomkins is??
Queenslanders not caring for anyone other than Queenslanders? That doesn't mean Sam Burgeas isn't well known up there. Caring and knowing are two different things. Anyone up north cares little for union or jonny wilkinson, but they know who he is. A rugby league mad city will know who one of the best players in the world is.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Well the first point, hull are Leeds get bigger soccer crowds, what's that got to do with them not knowing who Sam Tomkins is??
Queenslanders not caring for anyone other than Queenslanders? That doesn't mean Sam Burgeas isn't well known up there. Caring and knowing are two different things. Anyone up north cares little for union or jonny wilkinson, but they know who he is. A rugby league mad city will know who one of the best players in the world is.'"
You'll get a headache
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Why? Because his.opinion differs from ?
Burgess will be watched.by and known by more people onces hes starts.playing union and earning more money.....thats.my opinion which is backed.up by historical data.on viewing figures and attendances of union.
As for.sam tomkins...
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Why? Because his.opinion differs from ?
Burgess will be watched.by and known by more people onces hes starts.playing union and earning more money.....thats.my opinion which is backed.up by historical data.on viewing figures and attendances of union.
As for.sam tomkins...'"
I beg to differ, just my opinion
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Interested to know where you think sam burgess is a huge name? I can assure you he isnt a huge.name in Australia.........maybe in sydney but not in brisbane, victoria, perth, darwin Adelaide or any.of the.other major cities......'"
Lol is well known everywhere, he is a sportng celebratory here. Next week he'll play in front of 60k plus for souths, when was the last time bath got that? If he goes through he'll play in front of a 4.5mill TV audience just in Australia. And remind me again his last game for england? Oh yes Wembley stadium in front of 67k in a game that was as far removed from the drudgery of a union international as you can get.
Still he is getting more money, every cloud and all that.
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Why? Because his.opinion differs from ?
Burgess will be watched.by and known by more people onces hes starts.playing union and earning more money.....thats.my opinion which is backed.up by historical data.on viewing figures and attendances of union.
As for.sam tomkins...
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| Sam Tomkins is only known in NZ, no one in Australia has ever heard of him lol.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Lol is well known everywhere, he is a sportng celebratory here. Next week he'll play in front of 60k plus for souths, when was the last time bath got that? If he goes through he'll play in front of a 4.5mill TV audience just in Australia. And remind me again his last game for england? Oh yes Wembley stadium in front of 67k in a game that was as far removed from the drudgery of a union international as you can get.
Still he is getting more money, every cloud and all that.'"
100% agree !
Money can't buy you contentment though and once he realises the magnitude of his error he'll never be happy until he's challenging himself in the more mentaly and physically demanding code of Rugby, Rugby League.
A Champion player like Sam Burgess likes to test himself by being right on the edge of his capabilities, he'll be so under challenged and within his comfort zone in Union that boredom will become the catalyst for his return to the NRL.
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| Not so sure, his grubby foul play will fit right in with the ruck and maul mob. They like a bit of the old squirrel gripping do these public school boys!
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Not so sure, his grubby foul play will fit right in with the ruck and maul mob. =#FF0000They like a bit of the old squirrel gripping do these public school boys!'"
They do, but they normaly reserve it for bedtime at the all boys boarding school
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| LOL, why do you guys bother replying to Guttless or his alts?
Burgess is a household name here.
On the other hand I could stand in the middle of the Queen St Mall giving out 100 million dollars to anyone who could name any Wallaby or Reds player that isn't Israel Folau and I'd keep my riches.
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