To answer a few questions raised, a reserved matters application (what people are calling a full planning permission, but that is the technically incorrect term as you either apply for Outline or Full planning permission upon first application, if granted outline, you submit a reserved matters application... it is sort of the same thing in many ways though) should be a formality and take no longer than 8 weeks (if they information is ready to go, which it is we understand). Planning applications are judged on the level of information containing within them and Yorkcourt submitted quite a lot of detail on the stadium build in the Outline. The reserved matters will deal with any conditions within the outline and then produce sufficient detail of the stadium build to satisfy the planning officers. The reserved matters application is unlikely to go before committee and just be dealt with under delegated powers by the officer, unless they substantially wish to change the outline design submitted which is doubtful.

As for starting on site, it is perfectly legal and possible (and happens very often on larger developments) to start on site with Outline planning permission because the reserved matters application only deals with the details of the application, so starting site clearance and the muck-shift is a normal state of working. They are always warned that any work under Outline only is at risk, as the reserved matters could lead to works being varied or changed, but very rarely does!

How do you think Castleford and Salford started and completed their site clearance and muck-shift works prior to 'full' planning... under an outline approval is how!

I was going to give a full answer to this but see the above posts from Iain and IA.

All I can say on the Stadium matter is that Salford, Cas and Wakey have had their chances, now it's somebody else's turn to have a crack at the top flight.

Do agree with that the official 2012 - 2015 franchise process for the RFL & Clubs started last week when Championship clubs put in applications for me that would of been the date to cut all others. So be it they may have until June but IMO if no brick is ladi by the time bids go in should be judged on current stadium full stop.

Seeing as Cas fans, perhaps even you have been telling me for years that they have outline planning permission - which they say is all that counts.

I tend to agree, I wouldn't go as far as to say full planning permission is a rubber stamp job. I would suggest that if the plan is not referred then there is very little chance that full planning permission won't be given very quickly. As I suspect you well know. As we appear to have no funding issues then work starting in feb is not impossible.

That said I'd rather not run before we can walk and for now I will remain hopeful.

The last round LSV was built and ready to go, but because Leigh hadn't played any games there, and therefore didn't have the appropriate safety certificate, we couldn't use it as part of the bid and were judged on Hilton Park.

Not only had you not played there, at the time of the franchise assessment you didn't have a legally binding tennancy agreement with the LSV SMC therefore the only ground you could be judged on was Hilton Park.

Not the RFLs fault, look in the direction of the man who did all the moaning and complaining after the decision, Alan Rowley!

You are Richard Lewis and I claim my £5. Suppose those clubs currently building new stadiums (and nowhere near as far down the track as Leigh were at the time of the last 'round') should all be judged on their current stadiums then? Or in Saints case, no stadium at all on that basis?

I wouldn't sign an agreement for something that didn't yet have the correct approvals. But I wasn't blaming anyone, I was just saying what happened last time, and I'm sure the same will apply this time round.

Was there a SMC to deal with at the time ? , So ' Paper ' will once again suffice for some , whereas Concrete,bricks and steel wouldn't last time for others

Last time I checked, Saints had a tenancy agreement to play at Stobart Stadium?

Personally, if I was on the Wakefield board I'd be looking at a temporary relocation to Barnsley to stay in SL. Let's face it, they aren't going to have a ground ready. And they could use an expansionist argument in their application. It's about 20 miles away from the nearest SL club as well. Would you rather travel 10 miles further to watch your club in SL for a temporary period, or watch them in the Championship?

Considering they have let Saints do as you say , Crusaders do what they did , then that would have to send Cas down

But that is thinking logically , so it will be the toss of a coin

How many years is this agreement valid for?

Irrelevant Glow, it'll be built

Just like LSV was built.

At the moment, one. But I'm pretty sure that they'd sort out a tenancy agreement with someone for their license (which is apparently something that Leigh didn't do if that's to be believed).

And it's all irrelevant anyway. SL would let Saints in even if they played on a park field. They hit all the other targets very well.

Has it occurred to some Leigh fans that maybe, just maybe, whoever produced their last license application simply did a shoddy job of it?

Has it occurred to some salford fans that maybe , just maybe whoever produced their last licence application simply told bare faced lies ?

In age old VT tradition

Do you have a ' link ' to this ?

I don't, someone mentioned it a couple of pages back not too long ago. I wouldn't know.

I’ve no doubt Leigh would have had some kind of agreement with LSV Co, they didn’t arrange the build of a stadium, get planning permission etc on the hope that they’d find an end user.

But that’s not how it works. In a previous life I was the involved in a major build (a production facility), we were purchasing it, and paid agreed stage payments to the builders, but I didn’t sign the final agreement and payment until almost 12 months after we’d moved in, and only then did it legally become ours.

Only last year Leigh East (2yrs plus after moving in) were up before the council and threatened to be kicked out of LSV because they still hadn’t signed their agreement. Why and as to whether its been signed now you’d have to ask others.

Damn you, was reading through the thread, got to Iains and was itching to post a reply.........and you went and got there first

Is that a "no" then?

I'm not sure what Salford had to do with the question, but if Salford lied then they showed amazing foresight in a sport known for moving goalposts to start the lie nearly 10 years before franchising was announced.

Iain , I have no wish to get involved in an argument , Was our application poor ? , who knows , only the RFL as they are the only ones who saw all of them , although it did cost a lot of money and had ' Deloittes ' doing the financials

You know what I am reffering to as regards Salford , the demise of Red City Develoments the day after the announcements was shall , we say , ' convenient ' to say the least



Maybe we told the truth , and others were a bit more ' creative ' , that might have been our downfall

Was Leighs even read? Judging by the bollox spouted by Lewis on Granada Reports around that time it didn't seem to have been. All in the past now. As for Salford starting the lie 10 years + earlier, that was because it was expected that some of the new sky money was to be spent on facilities. None of it was and Salford weren't alone in the giving of empty promises.