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| Why not an actual, proper lions tour,
GB playing Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, PNG, in Samoa, Fiji, Tonga and PNG, with a three match series against the Kiwis and if they want a game against a PI select side.
I can see the complaints about the amount of matches the players need to play, but take a 40 man squad and give everyone a go. 8 games over 6 weeks, would give a great boost to the game in the PI's and im sure the players wouldnt mind too much
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Week 1 - Samoa vs New Zealand, Tonga vs England
Week 2 - Tonga vs New Zealand, Samoa vs England
Week 3 - Tonga vs Samoa, New Zealand vs England 1st Test
Week 4 - Samoa vs Tonga, New Zealand vs England 2nd Test
Week 5 - New Zealand vs England 3rd Test'"
what about PNG, how do they prep for the WC?
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"what about PNG, how do they prep for the WC?'"
I was responding to roughyeds post.
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| Instead of a Four Nations down under with PNG,replace them with a Rest of the World 'Select' team ? ie a composite of Froggies,PNG,Jocks,Taffs & Paddies etc with Iestyn or Bobbie or A N Other as coach/selector ?
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| At least a Select ROW team would provide more credible opposition than the dross served up by PNG or any proposed southern hemisphere mix !
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| Quote ="sanjunien"At least a Select ROW team would provide more credible opposition than the dross served up by PNG or any proposed southern hemisphere mix !'"
Come again?
A Rest of the World side containing players from PNG, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Fiji, Tonga, France, Samoa and Cook Islands will better against Australia, New Zealand and England.
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| The Pacific Islands have as much in common as Jamaica, Barbabos, Guyana, Trinidad, Antigua etc, all of whom have domestic competition but combine to represent a "made up country" who have given a far greater contribution to their sport than the individual parts would have been able to.
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| Wouldn't mind seeing us play a 4N against NZ, Pacific Cup winners and Euro Cup winners completely based in NZ. Could make an interesting tournament.
Failing that, why not a tour of the SH nations? Eng, Fra and Wal fly down under. Take a huge England squad so they can get a number of games in.
5 weeks down there, schedule something like:
Eng vs Samoa
Fra vs Tonga
Wal vs NZ
Fiji vs PNG
Eng vs Cook Islands (mid week)
Fra vs Fiji (mid week)
Eng vs Tonga
Wal vs Samoa
Fra vs NZ
Fiji vs Cook Islands
Eng vs PNG (mid week)
Eng vs NZ (1st Test)
Fra vs Samoa
Wal vs Tonga
PNG vs Cook Islands
Eng vs Fiji (mid week)
Eng vs NZ (2nd Test)
Wal vs Fiji
Fra vs PNG
Samoa vs Tonga
Wal vs Cook Islands (mid week)
Eng vs NZ (3rd Test)
Fra vs Cook Islands
Wal vs PNG
Samoa vs Fiji
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| Quote ="dally messenger"the brilliant thing about this move is it takes away from australian control of the game
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Austrailia don`t control the game, they never have...Father xmas told me so many years ago, about 1970....and then it went tits up....Skippy sprouted balls and the rest is history.
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| Quote ="Peckerwood"
A Rest of the World side containing players from PNG, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Fiji, Tonga, France, Samoa and Cook Islands will better against Australia, New Zealand and England.
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thank you - my point exactly
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| All things considered, it may be appropriate if Oz withdraw. It's for the overall good of the game.
We are lowering the tone, both on the field and off...
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| Quote ="Mungoman"All things considered, it may be appropriate if Oz withdraw.
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lets just get its right
there was never a 4nations planned for 2012....so australia have'nt withdrawn from anything!
either england & NZ will play a 3 game baskerville series
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england & NZ will invite 2 more nations to play a 4nations...
its all down to which idea will make most money......and a blindman could see a baskerville series would trump a poormans 4nations
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| Quote ="roughyedspud"its all down to which idea will make most money......and a blindman could see a baskerville series would trump a poormans 4nations'"
Don't forget that the French are desperate for more international fixtures after the big success this year with good crowds and tv exposure. Not having anything else scheduled for them before the 2013 World Cup is a real setback for France. And who's to say a Wales/NZ game couldn't pull in a few quid?
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| Im quite for the idea to be honest
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| the kiwis have knocked this idea on the head
what will probably happen is aus vs nz in april and october and an england tour of nz in the post season
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| Quote ="dally messenger"the kiwis have knocked this idea on the head
what will probably happen is aus vs nz in april and october and an england tour of nz in the post season'"
Link?
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| Quote ="dally messenger"the kiwis have knocked this idea on the head
what will probably happen is aus vs nz in april and october and an england tour of nz in the post season'"
Thought the NZRL and RFL were still debating who gets to host? The crowd at Eden Park will have certainly strengthened the Kiwi's argument.
Seems like France have asked to not have games against England mid-season, as most of their players are from the same club.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Link?'"
Think he is making reference to the last part of this article.
[urlhttp://www.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/article.cfm?c_id=79&objectid=10687636[/url
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| like i said months ago......
and england v the Other Nationalities will happen next year too....
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| if england do tour nz they should also play PNG, and some of the pacific nations, or bring in a "b" team and let them play the PI nations midweek or something in nz
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| nahh take a 35 man squad or something and play 2 games a week leading up to a 3 game series, total of 5 weeks and everyone gets to play England.
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| suppose it all depends on cost...
take a 35-40 man squad on a whirlwind 3-4 week tour with a weekend test team to play NZ and a weekday test team to play the islands
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a 25-26 man squad on a longer 5-6 week tour playing 4 or 5 games on consecutive weekend
i'd go for the longer tour personally
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| I think the players would go for anything 5 weeks and under. You could play consecutive weekends and midweek games against the P.I. with a 35 man squad
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