Think Lee Briers could be good for us, although it would still represent a gamble as it would be his first major coaching role, as a head coach at any rate.

The bigger question, however, is would we be good for him and would he view us as a risk worth taking at this stage in his, still early, coaching career. Putting myself in his shoes, I would need some pretty serious persuading from Myler about where the club is going before I committed.

A Myler-Briers combination would certainly be an interesting proposition, given their lack of experience in their respective roles, but in truth I don't see it happening. Think it would be a 'thanks, but no thanks' reply from Briers, and therein lies our problem. Who, out there, can be persuaded to take on arguably the biggest challenge in SL.

I agree with this. I think first of all we will end up with a coach who might just get us back to mid table mediocrity. Once other candidates realise we're a bit more stable then we may have a better chance at landing a guy who can then take us up the next level into a regular playoff team and occasional challengers.
I just don't think Briers would take the job. He's obviously put a lot of work in before making the step up to head coach. Of his first job is Hull and we continue to he as garbage as we are then his reputation as a head coach could take an immediate hit, despite the failings not actually been (majority) his fault.

Agree. Because of where we are at this moment, we are going to have to walk before we can even think about running, and it will most likely be a slow walk at that to begin with!

We have fallen so far backwards since 2017 that anyone, even half decent, is likely to give us a wide berth until we can create an air around the club that we seem to be moving in an upward direction once more. If it takes a bunch of 'average' players to do that, then I'm afraid that is where we are right now, there is no escaping our predicament, no quick fix, no easy solution to the mess we have created for ourselves.

It may be a long hard road back to being even a semi-decent side, but we have to start somewhere because we cannot afford to go any further back than where we are now, because the only destination down that road is oblivion for us.

Totally agree. By his own admission , Briers is still learning the skills of management .
personally , i feel this job of this magnitude ,is too early for him.
This squad needs a total reset, a real back to basics.. focusing on fitness & defence .
Id like Maguire, but he signed,a long contract with NSW.
Holbrook, or Wane would be my preferred choice.

Leigh went from a promoted club to a play off place and Cup winners in one season by recruiting the right players.

Think any coach would be a risk, even an experienced one like Mcdermott and Rowley.

I think we are pretty attractive.

Low start, so only way is up
Grade A license
Excellent academy and youth players
Big investment (think this must be big if we are offering 250k for a coach)
Clean slate with players, massive amount of cap and probably at least 4 quota spots.

Don't think the pressure would be too much first season.

Think our poor few years have dampened the fans expectations a lot.

Can't see any of those three coming.

Leigh, Rovers and Salford are good examples of how you can make quick progress, we also have the academy set up that none of these have.

With the right coach and the right signings I think we could ain for 6th to 8th next year and challenge the year aftet

I would agree with you on this, up to a point. I suspect those three clubs had rather more sturdy foundations on which to build upon than we have right now. By common consent, I think we all agree that the club has been badly run for years from top to bottom and this state of affairs is undermining any chance of the club being back to at least somewhere near to where it should be.

It could be that Myler's appointment turns out to be the first step in the right direction and in years to come we will look back on April 2024 as the time we hit the bottom and turned around, time will tell on that one.

On the playing side, you are right. There isn't a great deal of difference between 6th/7th and 10th/11th. All it takes is for a few results to swing the opposite way and a situation can easily swing from one season to the next. But I still think we need firmer foundations in place and for the club to be run in a different manner to how it has been in recent times for even that small achievement to happen.

I am generally an optimist, always hoping that better times are just around the corner, but over the past six or seven years we have dug ourselves into an almighty hole and we need someone with vision to get us back out of it, and sharpish, before it becomes terminal.

I'd like our new coach to be heavily youth orientated. I'm worried that if there is investment and money available that we will get a coach who just buys players and doesn't invest enough time into the academy and help bring on the younger lads.
While not trying to have a dig, this is the way Rovers have gone. Maybe their kids just aren't good enough, and that's fair enough, but they don't seem to get the chance to show if they're first team ready or not.
There are some huge benefits to a good production line of academy players. After a lot of brilliant work has gone into the youth setup over the last few years I'd hate for it to now be neglected by a coach who would rather try and buy their way.
We have some great prospects through, it would be amazing to get a coach who can turn that potential into actual SL quality players.
I hope it's an area Myler is discussing in great detail when holding talks with candidates.

From where we are to challenging in two years? Not a chance! This is a five year program at least. Leigh had a better side in the championship than we have now. We need to replace half the team and will have to accept that some players we sign won't be that great but will be a stepping stone to something better.

Tbh I think the club and fans have to acknowledge we are at rock bottom so will only be signing players that other clubs don't want and the same goes for the coach. Tbh i think we're gonna have to take a chance with a young up and coming British coach as no decent coach will come here. And seen as Grix is already here then just give him a go but as a club support him with a decent set of support staff.

True, they did. They did have a certain amount of luck in that, having gone with a small squad by investing in greater quality rather than quantity, they stayed relatively injury free, particularly to certain key players, which helped them enormously in achieving what they did.

But the chief reason for Leigh's success was that Beaumont (and Lam to a degree) created an impression of a club on the rise, made it feel like an exciting place to be a part of, which probably made recruitment a little easier when they made overtures to their targets.

Our problem, right now, is that we look like the opposite, a so-called 'big' club floundering and still going backwards. Myler's biggest job, among many, is that he has to change that narrative, to make us appear to be a club once more on an upwards trajectory. This will make our recruitment considerably easier, making us attractive for decent players to join us.

Given where we are now, we are probably a fairly hard club to sell to anyone. It is up to the club to change that situation so that we can at last move forward once again.

To be honest I'd be very disappointed if they were/are the 3 we are actually looking at.

Considering Myler has put across in interviews the importance of repairing the link between the club and fans I just don't see McDermott even being in the running as he is such a dour character and just don't see him having the personality to be able to effectively deal with a very disgruntled fan base. As you say he is a pretty divisive character.

Ward for me whilst a decent Coach and did a decent job at London managed to keep Cas up, he's still pretty untested as a SL coach and chose to decline staying on at Cas to be assistant across the river.

McGuire again similar to Ward in that he appears to have done well as an assistant to extent but would be too big a big risk to take that he'd have the ability to turn us round and doesn't sit well that he's another that not long ago was across the river.

I know we are in a position of being a pretty unattractive prospect for potential Coaches as the job has certainly been made in to a poisoned chalice.

Still get the feeling the Rowley situation is more Salford rejecting a deal more than him, as it almost the same scenario with the likes of Croft, Dupree etc. It all just seems odd with what has and hasn't been said and by whom.

Other than Rowley there is no one else currently in this country I'd say was a good option for us and that is the difficulty and reality we face.

I think we are being harsh on ourselves.

There are only a finite number of clubs and Hull are in the Super League, have a fantastic infrastructure and one of the largest fan bases. This will appeal to coaches and players alike.

We have new investment and a quite a sizable salary cap becoming available at the end of this season. This will allow any new coach to start building their own team/squad very quickly.

I also don’t think our fans are toxic. I do think the players have been the tail wagging the dog in terms of the coach in recent years. However, almost all of those players will have moved on by the end of the season, which will allow a new coach to set a new expectations and culture in the club. With regards the fans, in all the years I have supported the club, I have always thought our fans are realistic on where we are as a club at any one time. Any recent booing, has come on the end of several seasons continual decline, increasing heavy defeats, poor player recruitment and discipline and a confusing playing style.

Our fans are always ready to support new players coming into the team, in particular the academy players and effort. Any one joining the club will receive instantly our support.

As others have said, we are not going to transform overnight. I hope we have a new (and the right coach) here soon. I do think we need to improve during the rest of this season. If the short term signings can help stop the rot, then that will be great. Realistically we are going to finish 10th at best, however I hope we improve throughout the summer and set ourselves a higher finishing position.

Next season should be about targeting the Top 6 and then improve further in 2026. Ongoing improvement will help attract new players. We can’t change our geography and for some a move to Hull will never suit them for family reasons. However, for many, if our potential shows signs of being realised they will come on board. Playing and coaching careers are limited and all will want to maximise their participation and earnings from the sport while they can.

Slightly off topic, but we don't actually have a Grade A license do we? Last year's gradings were all just indicative and it's not set in stone that we're a grade A club? If the investment doesn't come to fruition and league performances don't improve, wonder if that's a potential consideration that potential coaches are aware that things might not actually be as secure as we think they seem , and we could end up with a grade B license when IMG announce them later this year? And the new coach very quickly have to deliver improvements or the club doesn't stay in SL, rather than if we definitely had a grade A and they had time to rebuild?

Our major problem is that there is some considerable distance between who we would LIKE to be coach and who we can realistically actually GET. Those scenarios are two very different beasts, indeed!

My suspicion is that whoever is eventually appointed it will come across to the fanbase as being distinctly underwhelming, mainly due to the fact that beggars can't be choosers. Right now, we are not a particularly attractive proposition for almost anyone. I just hope that whoever it is brings some energy and enthusiasm to the place.

I can't escape the nagging feeling that we are going to end up with McDermott, which will go down like a lead balloon on here!!! In that scenario I would rather we appointed either Ward or McGuire, both of whom would be preferably to McDermott. Like I said on a previous post, I'm afraid this is the pond we are going to have to fish in for the time being, until we start to look like a club at least heading in the right direction.

Do we actually know if we spoke to Rowley and offered him a contract?

Officially, we would have had to:
1. contact Salford for permission to speak with Rowley
2. hold talks with Rowley
3. offer a contract
4. if Rowley accepted we would then need to discuss compensation with Salford.

Unofficially, in sport there are unofficial 3rd party soundings with many appointments, with either ‘X would be interested joining your club’ or ‘would X be interested in joining our club.’ This would be the prelude to the above formal steps. Who knows if this happened with Hull and or any other club who may currently be thinking of changing it’s Coach?

All we know is that Salford have confirmed that Rowley is staying at Salford and we don’t know how far any discussions Rowley went, and if they happened at all.

Either way, we have to respect Rowley’s decision. However, I will not be surprised if he is at Leeds within the month.

Indeed. I actually think the fan base has been remarkably patient given what we have witnessed over the last half decade. Provided you stay away from comments sections and FB, where the unhinged gather in numbers, the general attitude seems quite measured tbh.

No one has a licence at the moment. I presume they will be issued at the end of the season in October.

Based upon the current criteria, Hull should still get an A Licence. Worst case, we would be the highest scoring B grade, so have no threat to being in the Super League.

Bizarrely, we could improve our IMG score by knocking down the MKM West Stand and just have a second hand shipping container on some gravel. Not only is this the future for all sporting stadia, but it would reduce our capacity by about 10k and improve our IMG crowd v capacity utilisation score.

Completely agree with the Leeds bit, ironically should a miracle occur and we win on Sunday that might just happen next week that's the talk in the Salford fans circles anyway.

You also said Rovers were the real deal, but despite a neat full squad, seem to fail in the big games.

Much easier in rugby to make 6 top signings amd change the whole dynamic of the team, would also new a good coach, assistant and S&C team.

Whilst Leigh might have had a better side, they didn't have the young players to fill gaps that we will have.

I stand by my statement if (another big if) we get things right, we could challenge in two years time.

With the youth players we have coming through in multiple positions, the club (if they had the funds and will to) could heavily invest 6 or 7 top signings. Previous years we haven't had the throughput from the academy, so have had to spread the cap around a bit to create greater depth.

Did some research into some assistant NRL coaches., alot of these have SL connections. This list isn't all of them, but names that stood out and may not be 100% accurate.

Dragons Dean Young
Storm Ryan Hincliffe
Broncos Briers and John Cartwright
Sharks josh hannah and Daniel Holdsworth
Knights Mcdermott
Eels Trent Barrett
Titans micheal monaghan
Warriors David Tangata-Toa
Raiders Micheal Mcguire
Panthers Peter Wallace
Bulldogs Jason Taylor
Dolphins Nathan Fien
Cowboys Justin Morgan
Souths Ben Hornby
Roosters Holdbrook
Eagles Jim Dymock
Wests John Morris

I'd heard Holbrook last week before all the Rowley chat started. He would be great for us, and I'm sure he would like to re-invent his Head Coach career after what happened at the Titans

Was unfairly sacked IMO.

Got worse since he left.

Turned Warrington down last season, so can't see him saying yes to us, hope I'm wrong.