Wigan went into that game without their two first choice props in Kelvin Skerrett and Andy Platt. That's the equivalent of Saints going into last weeks game without Walmsley and Lees.

That Brisbane team was a better team than that Penrith team you played last week and played better on the respective days.

Wigan actually won the game inside 80 minutes whereas Saints ended up not being able to hold out in normal time.

I stand by my statement that the Wigan victory was better and I'll add, more iconic and is still remembered fondly and still watched by neutrals like me 30 years later

Just as an aside, watched The Chase earlier this evening and one of the questions was "what is the name of St Helens stadium" They gave one correct and two incorrect answers.
Neither the contestant, Compere or Chaser knew the answer. Statistically, the odds of this happening are something like 1/10.
Four Grand Finals and one World Club Challenge in the past 4 years have barely registered as an achievement in the public view.

They chose St Helens for that question because they are the greatest rugby league team of all time in this country. They couldn’t ask wigan because they don’t have a stadium

#rentboys
#wouldhavetoaskpermissionfromthefootballclub

Do St Helens supporters have the most fragile egos? Going by this thread, yes.

You could have just stopped there. St Helens have transcended the sport and are now pivotal to humanity's survival.

They are certainly a special breed

Stains fans were not that gobby when Leigh dicked them

Edit for accuracy.

Saints fans are never gobby. That's the problem with these abusive threads. You're all attacking success, it's jealousy, that's all it is. Watch Warrington take an almighty dive in popularity and watch their salary cap compliance be called into question if they are the team to take over dominating the rest of Super League. The best are always hated.

You mean like this thread, started by a Saints fan

You are right. It’s all about being jealous of success. That’s why no one will ever be jealous of Leigh

#smallvillageinwigan
#theyusedaphotoofajaguar

#trollwhoadminturnablindeyeto

Yep just look at the way people talk about AS Carcassone after their 12 league titles!

It's nothing about jealousy. It's more about Saints supporters acting up to the stereotype of being the most spiteful and abhorrent fans in the history of sport.

Just look at how they act after they lose a game.

We will see more of that shortly.

Saints this year will have to do a Leeds and play crap all season and scrape into the playoffs. Then who knows with everyone back?

The usual prat has already started posting spiteful threads aimed at Wire fans. It's ironic that he talks about jealousy.

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You mean rest the players and conserve energy until the important rounds?

At least it is a refreshing change from the usual conspiracy theories and accusations of victimisation.

That's still definitely happening. Saints get a yellow card again tonight. Hull KR concede 7 penalties for high shots and late hits and get nothing. They're not even hiding it.

I think it's fair to say that we should remember that we can scoff on the current form on certain teams but, we must also remember, nothing is won in April, and humble pie can be consumed regrettably later.

You should have seen the decisions in the Leeds game tonight. A late hit on Sezer that resulted in him leaving the field for HIA assessment, and the ref played on - whilst turning around to look at a motionless player on the ground no fewer than three times, but ignored it completely. Numerous foul play ignored, constant offsides, missed handling errors, and Leeds receiving hardly any penalties. Whatever happened to RFL standing for 'Rugby Football Leeds'?

It'd not a conspiracy, it's just poor refereeing. It happens in all games against all teams. St Helens fans don't understand cognitive bias and refuse to take their blinkers off.



Completely agree with you. As has already been pointed out, silverware has been won from a poor first half of the season on numerous occasions.

I wonder how soon the conspiracy theories will disappear if Saints hit a bit of form? Will the resident pest still think Wire's bubble has burst if they get another 8 game winning streak? Both are very possible.

It is not a first past the post league structure, and you only have to finish top half of the table and hit a bit of form and good luck.

It’s just a ridiculous notion to suggest any were the same as what lees tried to do. He shot out the line, put a swinging arm action in and practically gave his a hair cut it was that high.

Tackles high that involve player going into the line and putting footwork on and getting caught high are just penalties, don’t need to see all of them carded. Saints also gave away 3 of them throughout the game.

If lees didn’t think he was the big I am and just controlled his defence it wouldn’t be an issue, but he’s got to try and be an ‘enforcer’

Clown

You've pretty much nailed it.

Saints play a big aggressive game with early shots out the line and big hits on the fullback as soon as he catches the ball (helped them massively in the WCC) but seemingly when they get it wrong their fans don't think they should be punished. Can't have it both ways. Tone down the aggression or accept players will be binned/suspended when they balls it up.

I see our resident troll is absent after another shock defeat by his team.

The pattern is very familiar, Jean and Sir Kev used to do this also

Lees cleared again as again it shouldn't have even been a penalty. But go off.

Dirty 'Saints'