Catalans crowd is frankly amazing given how little hope they have on the field.

also isn't it true that they have few season ticket holders? as the French don't really take to the concept? or have they grown their season ticket numbers as the years have gone on?

=#8000FFI thought that last season they had over 7000 "members" which I assumed were season ticket holders?

sheffield at around 2500, and fax at 2800 are very promising crowds

if a lower league club can average 3000, then i think they can put in a very realistic SL bid.

fax could well be a dark horse for SL next time

could well be.
Both Quins and Salford have one thing going for them though...they are already in SL. Widnes should be a shoe in next time around and as the clubs have already agreed no increase, Fax would be better off pitching for 4 years time.

sl average crowd up around 450 from last year so thats very promising especially with 14 teams vs 12, so total attendances would be up a lot

with st helens to get a new ground and widnes to come into SL, a 10,000 average could well be achieved.

If Salford, Wakefield and cas could get there's sorted and hkr get the improvements done it would be a very realistic target.

Alot is going to change in the next 5 years or so. Catalans will have had their redevelopment, hopefully KR will have too. Saints, Castleford and hopefully wakefield and salford will have new grounds too. With these along with Widnes probaly coming into the competition it's exciting times for RL and i think by the 2015 we will have 12,000 average!

the rhinos also should be aiming to grow crowds over 20,000

for a city the size of leeds their crowds are poor, compared to what the hull clubs achieve (combined)

Not a chance at Headingley. The place is a dump. Does it even hold 20k now that they've had to shut down most of the South Stand for not being safe?

Depends how the games at Elland Road go

Current capacity is 20,500 and the South Stand had its capacity reduced from 8,000 to 6,000 after the remedial repairs done on it.


I'd be suprised if we have more than a couple of games away from Headingley as the majority of the work will be done in the off-season and its a lot simpler build than the Carnegie Stand was.

What are the redevelopment plans at Headingley?

Basically a straight replacement for the South Stand, with a slight decrease on the old, pre-repairs capacity of 8,000 to 7,400 and wider concourse at the back with more toilets etc.

There were plans a few years ago for a new North Stand but they were shelved when the cricket couldn't afford their share of it. But as the cricket are wanting to redevelop the ground now I would think that in a couple of years the North Stand will be knocked down and rebuilt.

As for the Western Terrace, well thats a tricky one due to the houses behind it. There was a rumour that Leeds had bought some of the houses but how reliable that is I don't know. I can't see much being done with the Western Terrace in the next few years, although a new scoreboard wouldn't go amiss.

Plan was to redo the north stand in conjunction with the cricket, but in what in hindsight is a very fortunate coincidence the cricket club received third party funds to rebuild another stand and add new media facilities which meant the north stand wouldnt be done for a few years anyway. Then the issues with the some prior refurbishment of the southstand were discovered which meant that would need to be re-done sooner.

So this offseason the southstand will be rebuilt. Then in conjunction with the cricket the northstand will be rebuilt. Due to council constraints thats likely to be it for the time being as the homowners around the paddock complain about any planned rebuilding of that end, plus there is a public right of way behind it which restricts opportunities there.

The capacity when the southstand is rebuilt will be about 22k (similar to before the safety issues) and i would expect if there were to ever be any increase in ground size it would be at the northstand anyway. The Cricket club are looking to add another 3k on the north stand, which if that comes from building up means there is no reason the rugby stand cant do the same, which would give a new capacity of around 25k. If that is the case i would hope Caddick and hetherington are aiming for an average of AT LEAST 20k

nrl :

overall average 17,582

best :

broncos 40,427
storm 25,480
souths 20,078
tigers 19,870
dogs 18,314

worst

sharks 11,925
panthers 12,060
manly 14,097

think wigan will be looking at a crowd of about 16000 this week vs quins

our marketing team on fire again by filling the north stand with worthingtons and heinz purchasing the stand for their employees

and £10,000 worth of tickets donated to the army to help celebrate st.georges day

Outstanding effort again from the marketing department at Wigan. Together with Hull FC, Wire and Wakey, it shows that if you make the effort you can make up the shortfall when quins are in town.

Thinking more 17k myself with a decent walk-up.

Just out of interest who does the stats pages on this site as some of them appear wrong? Looked at the table for our average and it's just below 7K not 7448 and whilst not wishing to pick on expansionist cousins I don't think Quins have an average of 7558!

The stats are for all games (home and away) that feature the team. If you are really interested, I can send you a nice colourful spreadsheet with every London home gate since 2000.....

Go to your teams page on slstats and the landing page will give you the home fixtures for the season. [url=http://www.slstats.org/t12/Harlequins+RL/2010/Summary.htmlHERES QUINS[/url
3,176 is the average for SL this season (for some reason, the cup game v Wakey has popped up in there as well)
The attendances given on slstats.org are normally pretty correct, but I do check them against other reports.

wigans crowd of almost 18,000 vs quins is just brilliant, shame they lost

ill bet theyll be getting quite a few crowds over 20,0000 this year

theyll top the crowd averages

the sleeping giant has awoken under maguire!

Have to say that Wigans marketing and promotionla team seem to have moved up a gear since IL took over at the club. A 13,700 average last year and a 4k increase this year on the quins game against 2008 is a sign that the commercial department understand the need to keep marketing the game rather than emplying the field of dreams tactics of some clubs.
That and the improvement on the pitch would seem to all bode well for the club and its fans.

The Marketing Director came from Bulls. Goes to show what he has been able to do with a big marketing budget.

Those who look to Wigan's big rise in crowds and Bulls' tail-off need look no further for a major explanation than the marketing budget made available to the marketing team. That is one of the massive advantages of having a wealthy owner.

How does that relate to profit though.
Hypothetically if they're giving tickets away for next to nothing then they aren't making any money. I dont remember reading about their books recently.

We at Wire need an expansion, losing a quarter million a year we could definately add to our gate