March 2017, one week after being beaten 66-10 by Cas McDermott came out and said his team could still win the Grand Final and single handily took the flak for that hammering and following boast........7 months later he won the Grand Final.

July 2018, Sinfield just after his appointment publicly says the squad isn’t good enough, needs rebuilding and the culture isn’t good enough of a squad that were reigning champions and has put it all on the previous regime since his appointment putting it all on everybody but himself. 9 months later he’s publicly boasting of the culture being better under him yet they’re bottom of the table with embarrassing effortless defence with the prop he sold embarrassing his decision on a weekly basis.

No to be fair we have actually performed better in most of the second halves when weve been well beaten in the first half so not sure what you mean by your last paragraph?

In every game we’ve lost we’ve either given ourselves too much to do with poor first halves or we’ve thrown away a winning lead in the last 20

And? Sinfield had publicy said that it won’t be a quick fix and will take a few years at least to rebuild.

You clearly have some issue with Sinfield for some reason, do you think the rebuilding that he cane in to do should be complete by now?

We have been a mid/low table SL side since the begining of 2018, we will be the same until 2021 at least.

I agree it wasn’t going to be s quick fix....so don’t spunk away most of your money on two marquee players that leaves you unbalanced in the rest of your squa. The squad he inherited were still champions, made a decent fist of the WCC in Melbourne and were top 4 after around 8/9 rounds last year. Sign a replacement for Galloway, keep Garbutt, replace Hall with the money he was on. Don’t blow it on a position we didn’t desperately need in centre (as good as Hurrell has been it’s pointless if other positions are weakened by not being able to spend more on those positions) and we should easily be around the fight for 5th, at worst around 8th.

Marquee signings leaving the squad unbalanced and forcing several players out is completely against a “it’s not a quick fix”....it’s trying to force things and it’s failed. For all the talk of it’ll take time he tried changing too much too soon, the wheel didn’t need reinventing (McDermott took most to a GF win), short term it needed tweaking but Sinfield went OTT:

Don't get me wrong I'm not an "avid reader" of all things Leeds, but the Hull game & the Wakey game they took an early lead, looked good, then went behind & gave it up.

I wonder if we'll soon see a "for the 'live' of god allah or whoever FURNER GO!!" thread over on the Leeds board soon?

The Brian Mc one ran for over 7 years. Even when Leeds were winning silverware there was weekly calls for McDermott to be removed.

Depends how you look at it, those 2 games you may have a point (although I think we may have ‘won’ both the second halves in those games)

Basically Leeds have forgotten how to win whether they are in front or behind.

Like I said earlier, don’t worry this will still be McDermott’s fault. No chance Sir Kevin of Sinfield will get the finger pointed at him even though he appointed Furner based on his admiration of him being his teammate back in 03-04 and then released the best metre making prop in the league and replaced him with Wellington Albert, James Donaldson and Dom Crosby, the latter of which hasn’t managed a game all year. Still his mate Ablett got a new 2 year deal and again hasn’t played this year also.

Yet one of the main criticisms was that Leeds weren’t spending money on players, the two marquee signings have been the best 2 players in the Leeds side, we lost Hall who was always one of leading meter makers, and we signed Hurrell whi is easily the leading meter maker plus it seems our only attacking weapon.

Merrin may not be flashy but he’s a damn good player, I’m not sure why your pointing out those 2 players for criticism.

You cannot judge a long term plan in the short term, unless and I will admit I am wrong if and when we get relegated, otherwise just suck it up for a few seasons.

There’s plenty of criticism of Sinfield on Southstander.com

Really, what has he done to you to make you so bitter?

Hurrell and Merrin have been two of our best players, but we could have signed 4/5 players for the money those two were on and balanced the squad out better. No point having a 4 try centre if the rest of the team is gifting more points away than that. Plenty of other teams ahead of us in the table that haven’t signed marquee players and we’ve won a fair few trophies without them so let not pretend they’re a must need.

It’s basic Salary Cap management and Sinfield has messed it up big time. That’s the real reason Garbutt left, so we could afford Merrin, nothing to do with injuries or attitude, Merrin’s salary meant someone had to leave and we went and a sold a player who was the best in the position we were already short on and looking weakest in now.

And yes one of the main criticisms was that were weren’t spending money, but them criticisms came from idiots who didn’t realise or understand how tough it was to afford the stadium work and that it was a necessary sacrifice for the longer term.

I’m judging him solely on his performance as Director of Rugby and it’s been god awful. Honestly if someone came in with no previous Leeds playing connection and performed like he has over the last 9 months they’d be getting a ton of stick but his playing record is why he’s not.

Well...maybe you'll Get Bradford next year, so that'll be one full house

You’ve got absolutely no clue why Garbutt left and if you think Leeds issues are as simple as Garbutt staying and Merrin not coming, then you are not thinking straight,(garbutt was a Leeds player last year, you know the year we only just avoided a MPG).

The Marquee signings are not the issue and they have been signed lomg term to aid the very good group of young players coming through (very much like 2002-2003), there have been 11 players released from last years playimg squad and likely to be a fair few released after this year, the club is in a massive transition and fans like you are looking far too short term. If we get relegated this year I’ll agree the new regime has failed.

You’ve got absolutely no idea whether he is doing a good job in the role he was brought in to do, he is responsible for the whole Rugby operation, how is our Academy doing this year, what if that bears fruit for another 10 years.

For all the rhinos fans delving into their clubs failings, maybe you might consider that the Rovers side is a tad better than some pundits would have you believe ( Schofield for one) despite our small squad & current injuries?

I’m not looking for a quick fix at all. If we finished 8th/9th with more losses than wins then fair enough but to be bottom with no effort defence is inexcusable.

Merrin and Hurrell were signed to sell season tickets for the new stands, if you can’t see that and go for the “helping youngsters” then you’re deluded. Garbutt was released to accommodate Merrin, that’s why Parcell and Cuthbertson were offered out too because of cap space (they didn’t have the injury excuse that was levelled against Garbutt).

Yes Garbutt was a Leeds player last year and we finished 9th, only just slipping into that place late on after being up around 4th/5th and that’s with plenty other prop injuries including his. Wonder if Sinfield will release Ablett and Ward this year after their injury hit years....I doubt it.

Oh don’t get me wrong you’re a decent side and can trouble any team on your day, but even you’d have to admit as well as some of your play was tonight, Leeds’ pitiful effort in defence played a key part.

Agree but we have been known to be awful too, I do think Leeds problem started with a great youth side growing into the top side in the game & all getting old together, Rovers have done well out of the Leeds academy, McDermot did what Don Revie did across the city, not keeping his winning team evolving by replacing players early. Or that’s how as an outsider sees it.

And we may finish 9th or higher this year, you seem to think I’m happy were at the bottom at the moment, I’m not but I’m disagreeing with you that it it is all Sinfields fault.

Nope.....you're a bottom 3 club this year who will be thankful that London got promoted and not Toronto. To date, you've beaten Leeds, London, Wakefield and FC.....with only Leeds and London being by more than 1 score. It could well be argued that your win at Wakefield was more to do with the weather than the game......but you won none the less.
HKR, like London and a couple of other sides perform better than expected now and again, but we are bottom half sides who are not challenging for honours, but fighting for survival.........and that is where our sport fails.

Give out 20 licences......central funding dependent on the prior years finishing position......wealthy backers can buy their team "up the table" if they want and strict cap with one marquee allowed.......current 12 + 8 others who are happy to commit to a minimum spend......so let all of Jean's fantasy sides in.....but the reality is that forking out £3 million or more to finish 12th will soon wear thin for the Argyles of this world....

TBF though the Marquee ruling has been in place a few years, he never got given the chance to use it.

No coincidence that after signing the likes of Webb, Eastwood and Buderus in 2007-2009, the South Stand got condemned by health and safety in 2010 (since that year we’ve had to spend a 6 figure fee in maintenance to keep them open) and GH came out said we’d hopefully have both main stands rebuilt by the end of 2014 and any impressive NRL signings stopped. Because of usual struggles in this area of building work it’s only just now been completed. In those years NO big NRL signings, with ‘project’ signings being made, some working out some not. For a Garbutt there was an Achurch. Low and behold the stands are completed and we sign 2 marquee NRL players. McDermott never got that luxury of replacing key players with the quality that was needed, he was asked to do it on the cheap whilst the stadium issues rumbled on year upon year. As soon as the Stands were rebuilt he was dismissed, if the two main stands at Leeds were still waiting to being green lighted for being rebuilt then make no mistake McDermott would still be in charge and no marquee signings would be made and Furner and Sinfield wouldn’t have stepped in without the promise of money to spend.

Totally discounting the fact that we've been badly plagued with injuries since round one (worse than anyone in my opinion) and been with in a shout of winning every game we've played bar the Huddersfield game.

Yep, my conclusion is that you know as much as most armchair pundits and Leeds head coach; naff all.

All this talk about Leeds making the wrong marquee signings and other decisions about players and no mention of a certain Mr Hetherington in all this? He was on today and saying that, although these singings were made before Furner arrived, "He was pleased to have these players available"!!! I have always had the suspicion that Mr H has had much more to do with decisions made than is generally made public! I wonder how long Furner will be here before urgent matters suddenly require his return down under???

TBF that’s nonsense as Lolohea said in the offseason that working with Furner was a key reason to signing for Leeds. Now Lolohea signed for Leeds a week or two after McDermott was sacked in July and Furner was appointed in November (at least officially) . You think a Tonga player who just happened to have Furner as his assistant coach was conviently signed just before his appointment?

If anybody thinks Hetherington of all people would give up his on field rugby performance decision making role mid way through a season wilfully then they’re kidding themselves. He was forced out of that role by other directors who bought into the idea that all the success was down to Sinfield and Peacock, hence why they’ve both strolled into rolls their not ready for now, because too many at the club go gooey eyed at their presence. Furner is 100% Sinfield’s choice. Furner AND Sinfield were lined up well before McDermott’s departure:

McGuire said it in the As Good As It Gets film....”its a player led club” and the golden generation of players have way too much stroke at that club even in retirement and have/are worming their way into off field roles that they aren’t ready for. I mean Sinfield has been talking about having the role he’s got now since around 2009/2010.