I have read was was put and I think if you read everything that Graham says then there is a link. Or do you want a link to a media piece verifying this?

Maybe you should engage brain before clicking submit.

I say this time and time again. They grounds like Wembley & old Trafford have no stewards outside or on the gate to refuse entry for anyone that is very much worst for wear. So once your in your in.

I see your location is NSW must see a lot of SL games from there and I suspect your "experiences" are historical or internet based theory. There was no problems post match in the car park quite the reverse with fans from both clubs exchanging pleasant comments to each other, thats how it should be.

I never saw any trouble yesterday and I suspect neither did 99.9 % of fans attending, there is always an element of drink related incidents at high profile matches like this. Having attended the grand final for a number of year I can say its far worse there then at any Wembley final. At FC we have tried to weed out such behaviour and since 2000 we have been in the forefront of postive action towards those who let us and themselves down.

I see a lot of people pointing the fingers at Hull fans as a whole. Calling us a disgrace. Jumping in the bandwagon that "we" are the worst. This despite the fact that it happens at other clubs fairly often (see Widnes' last three away games), and pretty much every final I've been to other than 2005 (no arrests).

So, instead of going over the top, instead of labelling a whole group for the sake of a minority that every club has (and that includes London, who I had the pleasure of being soaked by a pint because I stood up in front of the at the first Magic Weekend), why not offer a solution?

There's nothing wrong with bringing it up in a sensible and reasonable manor. But what did you expect when you've started by labelling the lot of us?

I had a great time on Saturday despite the loss. Mingled with loads of fans in our penguin costumes. We were drinking from 6 and we weren't starting fights. Believe it or not, some people can have a few drinks and not fight.

5 pages of people making things up.

I live in West Yorkshire, I used to live in Sydney just haven't changed my profile.

Who has labelled all hull fans as bad?

"Are you surprised, this is Hull fans"

"Hull fans are the worst"

Just to quote two.

I swear they are people who just wait at the ready to have a go at Hull fans when they is an ounce of trouble.

Even though lots of clubs this season have issued banning orders, however they can't be as bad as Hull fans as they are not from Hull.

At magic weekend they was a period during the derby a few Wire fans were goading Hull fans when we were losing and I am not talking about there pathetic Hull Kr chant but the fact lots of them were doing the w***** sign at us, yet we didn't react. However it is ok for the wire fans to do this as they are not from Hull.

In fact it is only ok to have a go and point out Rugby League violence if the said culprits are from Hull. I bet the people banned from Widnes, Cas and Wakefield these past few years are from Hull too. Oh and them Wigan fans at Huddersfield earlier this year.

What takes the mickey even more is that they are several Hull fans who even fly out to Canterbury on occasions to have good old scraps and even follow Leeds to grand finals wearing Leeds shirts. The most outrageous ones though are those who travel all the way to Warrington to work as a steward, in the hope of getting a scrap.

Us Hull lot eh ?

You seem a little paranoid, the reason hull fans got mentioned this tim is because it was hull fans fighting.

Last years grand final there was bother between the Leeds fans and there was a thread about that, there was a thread recently about Wakefield fans and Widnes fans.

You've clearly failed to read the post he is quoting.

He's not quoted anything.

Hull fans are no worse than any other club's fans. Every club has its share of idiots. These threads are so tiresome and do nothing for our game.

These threads, as any other threads on a website forum , whatever the subject have zero effect on the game, good or bad.

Fighting at games however ....

25,000 hull fans at Wembley and you focus on 6 that had a fight. F****** unbelievable.

You don't think violence at RL games should be discussed?

I do, but when it comes to labelling all Hull fans as drunken, fighting yobs, it becomes slightly ridiculous.

Just for a bit of balance, please see the link below about fighting in the Wigan end on Saturday. As there were 20 people involved in this (as opposed to 6 that cause trouble in the Hull end) then it makes it more than 3 times worse! www.cockneylatic.co.uk/forum/6-n ... 8-warriors

Just for a bit of balance, please see the link below about fighting in the Wigan end on Saturday. As there were 20 people involved in this (as opposed to 6 that cause trouble in the Hull end) then it makes it more than 3 times worse! www.cockneylatic.co.uk/forum/6-n ... 8-warriors

I've never done that, and as far as can see no one else has either.

Quote ="Wilde 3"Just for a bit of balance, please see the link below about fighting in the Wigan end on Saturday. As there were 20 people involved in this (as opposed to 6 that cause trouble in the Hull end) then it makes it more than 3 times worse! www.cockneylatic.co.uk/forum/6-n ... 8-warriors'" And they are idiots too.

Quote ="Wilde 3"Just for a bit of balance, please see the link below about fighting in the Wigan end on Saturday. As there were 20 people involved in this (as opposed to 6 that cause trouble in the Hull end) then it makes it more than 3 times worse! www.cockneylatic.co.uk/forum/6-n ... 8-warriors'" And they are idiots too.

Quote ="Wilde 3"Just for a bit of balance, please see the link below about fighting in the Wigan end on Saturday. As there were 20 people involved in this (as opposed to 6 that cause trouble in the Hull end) then it makes it more than 3 times worse! www.cockneylatic.co.uk/forum/6-n ... 8-warriors'" So 2 people actually fought , but there where 18 other people "shouting and angry pointing at each other. " but the other 2 "altercated" as the post puts it. Brawl of the century! I'd also take anything read on Cockney Latic with a pinch of salt, they aren't known for their love of Rugby League. I personally didn't see or hear any bother, and didn't see anything kick off in the Hull end either, although I was at the other end of the stadium. I saw a lot more trouble in 2011 and I think it was 2010 when I last attended as a neutral.

Quote ="Wilde 3"Just for a bit of balance, please see the link below about fighting in the Wigan end on Saturday. As there were 20 people involved in this (as opposed to 6 that cause trouble in the Hull end) then it makes it more than 3 times worse! www.cockneylatic.co.uk/forum/6-n ... 8-warriors'" So 2 people actually fought , but there where 18 other people "shouting and angry pointing at each other. " but the other 2 "altercated" as the post puts it. Brawl of the century! I'd also take anything read on Cockney Latic with a pinch of salt, they aren't known for their love of Rugby League. I personally didn't see or hear any bother, and didn't see anything kick off in the Hull end either, although I was at the other end of the stadium. I saw a lot more trouble in 2011 and I think it was 2010 when I last attended as a neutral.

When people talk about "Hull fans", they aren't specifying a portion.

When people say Hull fans are the worst, that is stereotyping.

Now it appears there was trouble in the Wigan end. Where are the threads about "disgraceful Wigan fans"? Where are the "Wigan fans are the worst" quotes?

One incident this year and we're the worst apparently.

When I wrote about hull fans being the worst I meant the worst that I had encountered on a number of occasions, if you took that to mean I think every hull fan in the country then you are being too sensitive, of course it's a minority of fans, and all clubs have them.

Believe me, the gents was no picnic either.