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| Yup, agree with that. Right call by Bentham, I thought.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Whatever the player thought, the rule is that you send the player back to play the ball,. You do not penalise him. Shocking, disgusting and inexcusably incompetent decision by Bentham.'"
You find me that rule then (here's a clue, you won't find it because it doesn't exist).
Refs will give botd when it's not 100% clear. There was nothing unclear about that one.
If Escare had been pinned down in a 4 man tackle for 3 seconds and got up and ran should it still come back for the ptb?
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"That Walne is a dirty fella.'"
And that's from a pie-eater.....
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"The rule about going back and playing it was iirc, originally brought in for when players are upright and pass out of a tackle simultaneously with the red shouting held. It's been extended a bit to give botd to guys who don't think they were tackled, but this was obvious. Lee was laid on him then we wriggled out and he got up and ran.'"
Spot on. I know it's an extreme example but what if he had 3 players on top of him with him on the ground, clearly tackled.....then got up and ran off staying he didn't think he was held? Just let him go back and PTB?
Referee has every right if he thinks Escare has taken the mick there and penalise him for running on. Especially given the time left it could be seen as a time wasting tactic from Escare. Had he got away with and asked to play the ball again it would've chewed up around an extra 10/15 secs had he slowly got back into position.
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| I wonder where Phillip Bentham gets his trousers dry cleaned. They don't call him "Filthy Phillip" for nothing.
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| I think common sense prevailed and the penalty was the right call. 90 seconds left and Escare tries to waste time by taking the mick. It's one thing to move off the mark or to pass the ball as the referee calls held but Escare would've known he was tackled and tried time wasting.
Speaking of Escare, I've said it before but if he wasn't French nobody would give a toss about him.
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| 40-40
That's middle eight Championship stuff isn't it?
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| Quote ="13"And that's from a pie-eater.....'"
Oh.
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| Penalty for mine as I thought it was in cases were there was doubt about the call of held.
No need to shout held there.
If it was just a blanket you can run on when ever you like, then players would just run forwards every play the ball, declaring they did not know.
Tried to find the wording of the rule, but seems not to be on the website.
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| Not going to comment on the actual decision as didn't watch the game but here is what the previous poster is after from section 11 - the tackle
BTW, law book is available for free from the RLIF website.
Verbal instructions 6. If any doubt arises as to a tackle, the Referee to should
resolve doubt give a verbal instruction to “play on” or shout “held” as
the case may be. If the referee is of the opinion that the
player in possession could not hear the “held” call before
passing or running off with the ball he should instruct the
player to play the ball at the point where the player was
when “held” was called unless it occurs after the fifth play
the ball in which case a handover will apply.
Speed essential 11. The play-the-ball must be performed as quickly as
possible. Any player who intentionally delays the bringing
of the ball into play shall be penalised.
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| Sounds like I missed the only bit of excitement. Fell asleep with about 10 to go.
Terrible game.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"
Speaking of Escare, I've said it before but if he wasn't French nobody would give a toss about him.'"
You're quite the fearless internet iconoclast, aren't you?
How many tries did Escare score last season?
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| Quote ="salford1970"Not going to comment on the actual decision as didn't watch the game but here is what the previous poster is after from section 11 - the tackle
BTW, law book is available for free from the RLIF website.
Verbal instructions 6. If any doubt arises as to a tackle, the Referee to should
resolve doubt give a verbal instruction to “play on” or shout “held” as
the case may be. If the referee is of the opinion that the
player in possession could not hear the “held” call before
passing or running off with the ball he should instruct the
player to play the ball at the point where the player was
when “held” was called unless it occurs after the fifth play
the ball in which case a handover will apply.
Speed essential 11. The play-the-ball must be performed as quickly as
possible. Any player who intentionally delays the bringing
of the ball into play shall be penalised.'"
Cheers
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| Quote ="moto748"You're quite the fearless internet iconoclast, aren't you?
How many tries did Escare score last season?'"
27.
He's terrible defensively, his kick returns are average, and he isn't that great coming into the line. He's a good support player and good but he's not as good as someone like Jamie Shaul or Johnny Lomax whom get half the praise
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"27.
=#FF0000He's terrible defensively, his kick returns are average, and he isn't that great coming into the line. He's a good support player and good but he's not as good as someone like Jamie Shaul or Johnny Lomax whom get half the praise'"
That quote could pretty much sum up Danny Maguire in his younger days. Remind me again how good [uHE[/u is!!!
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| Catalans are French, it's ok to cheat them out of points because they are French. It was ok to cheat them in the play-off semi-final last year because they're French.
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| As a Salford fan, I didn't think it was a penalty at the end. However it made up for the first Salford conversion which clearly went between the sticks but was waved away by the touch judges.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"27.
He's terrible defensively, his kick returns are average, and he isn't that great coming into the line. He's a good support player and good but he's not as good as someone like Jamie Shaul or Johnny Lomax whom get half the praise'"
'Terrible defensively' - did you miss his try saving tackle on Chris Hill last week, and on Hansen today?
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| Quote ="littlerich"40-40
That's middle eight Championship stuff isn't it?'"
Maybe if the Challenge Cup drawer is kind, you'll find out.
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| Quote ="Talent Spotter"As a Salford fan, I didn't think it was a penalty at the end. However it made up for the first Salford conversion which clearly went between the sticks but was waved away by the touch judges.'"
Two wrongs don't make a right. we can't just accept referees not knowing basic rules.
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| Of course it was a penalty,if a player moves off the mark and plays the ball it is a penalty so it stands to reason when a player is held and then decides to carry on he is penalised
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| Quote ="JonB95"we can't just accept referees not knowing basic rules.'" And I can't accept how two visually impaired ref assistants miss a ball that's gone between two sticks.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Of course it was a penalty,if a player moves off the mark and plays the ball it is a penalty so it stands to reason when a player is held and then decides to carry on he is penalised'"
Except that isn't the rule. If the player doesn't hear held the play is brought back for play the ball.
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| Quote ="theredshed"And I can't accept how two blind ref assistants miss a ball that's gone between two sticks.'"
Personally I couldn't tell , looked 50-50 but I trust two trained ref assistants over a dodgy angle on a malfunctioning TV feed.
Even so, you can't justify the penalty at the end by saying 'oh but he got one wrong against us before'. No excuse for that ineptitude in any case.
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| Is that the rule? I ask as i was always under the impression it was a foul to carry on and is referees discretion to call it back.
If it is set in stone i stand corrected
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