Please don't mind the bloke trying to pump Australia's tyres, we're not all like him in OZ.

Would just like to say that unlike him most of us -do- show humility after sporting wins (and will give credit to those who beat us). England took advantage of key moments in the Ashes to win; despite spending more time across the series with the momentum, we never took the big opportunities when they were there and that cost us. That's cold hard fact, and we must move on, learn from our mistakes and get that urn back.

Would also like to respond to the guy who said we're not that crash hot at a lot of sports right now - yeah fair enough, we've lost when we've played England the last couple of times in the rugby union world cup (although looking at the official site we are ranked 3rd, your mob 6th), and I've got a lot of respect for the English sides that got that done. But one thing I get sick of, one thing I think is really rich coming from certain English fans, is when they knock us as a nation, knock our sporting culture, after they win something against us despite sitting back and accepting their extended periods of mediocrity (a lot of the time performances that weren't even worthy of the mediocre tag) across so many sports in between the wins. Things like ACCEPTING the non-competitive 5-0 whitewash in the 06/07 Ashes just because there were some "hall of famers in waiting" in the Australian side (the way the media in England talked about the 2005 Ashes during the 09 series as if 06/07 didn't happen at all was ordinary imo). Just CONCEDING that the Australian rugby league team is something that cannot be stopped because of its stronger domestic competition background, so a 30 point loss isn't too bad. There is a big big difference between accepting a loss and accepting responsibility for a loss.

The other thing is when we win, we're happy about it and all the rest of it, but we won't go around slagging the crap out of the other country. I'm talking about overall as a nation, not speaking for the occasional individual who is an exception (like the other guy on here). When we lose it burns like hell, and we'll take responsibility for the loss by striving to better ourselves for next time. But if England lose, people just sweep it under the rug only returning to point and laugh at the opposition when they get up and win again. I've got a lot of English blood relatives, and when one of my Aussie rellies went over there for a while to stay with them in 2005 he copped rabid niggling and jeering the whole time about the cricket. First thing he said after telling us about it was that you don't see that sort of thing the other way around in Australia. And he's right, you don't.

I know that any Australian side that fronts up to play in an international game will never accept a situation as impossible; they will always believe in themselves and will fight until the end. So when a side beats them they earn my respect straight away. But I think the way so many English fans stick the knives into us after a victory, when our teams will at least have unconditional belief in themselves and never lower their standards, is pretty poor.

Anyway I don't really follow Rugby League given I don't live in Queensland or New South Wales, but it was good to see us respond to the grit shown by England for much of the game. Still think NZ deserves to be callled the top side though until someone can take the WC off them.

Same old story for hapless Poms By Andrew Johns From: The Daily Telegraph November 16, 2009 12:00AM Increase Text SizeDecrease Text SizePrintEmail Share
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At the moment, they don't have the mental toughness to go the full distance - and it's been that way for 15 years.

The Four Nations final was another classic example of England's frailty under pressure and the Kangaroos' ability to exploit it.

It was a great contest for 60 minutes. The Poms stuck it to us and their back-row - Jamie Peacock, Gareth Ellis and Sam Burgess - was outstanding.

Burgess is a fantastic talent. He is big and mobile and the step he put on Petero Civoniceva for the opening try was sensational. No wonder Russell Crowe chased so hard to get him to South Sydney. He will be a big hit out here.

But all the good work the home side did in the opening three quarters of the game was undone by what they didn't do in the final 20 minutes. As soon as a crack appeared, the Kangaroos came pouring through.

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Once on the front foot and sensing a kill, the spine of our team - Cameron Smith, Johnathan Thurston, Darren Lockyer and Billy Slater - dominated to such an extent that we blew them away in the end.

Slater's three-try performance surely will silence his knockers. I can't understand why his position is ever questioned. Slater and Greg Inglis have been our best players on tour, even allowing for a couple of missed tackles by the fullback in the opening game against New Zealand.

Inglis was a powerhouse again and Lockyer and Smith had some great touches, but Thurston's role was enormous.

Just his overall involvement was outstanding, but he really stood up for the Kangaroos at the crucial moments. His brilliant kick under pressure for Brett Morris' second-half try was right from the top shelf and was the beginning of the end for the home side.

The result was a triumph for Lockyer. He has been a great player and leader for Australia and his face at fulltime showed how much winning meant after the disappointment of last year's World Cup final.

There were some positives for England, but the simple fact is they are never going to beat Australia consistently until they learn how to compete for the full game.

It's that simple.

what might have happened if the coaches were switched. sheens coaching england instead ?? where is the link please

Shayne Hayne would have reffed the final.

Neither has Burgess got top end speed.
Also if he hadn't been a greedy sod you might have been 12-0 up.


He forgot this is a team game and thought only about Burgess,...still he can learn ..he is coming to play in the most skilful league ever,...NRL.

Does the union jack on our flag make you jealous,because Australia can put more pride into it than the poms can??.....Dont worry mate the Onion jack will be off the flag before very long after our next referendom we shall become a republic free of the shackles of paying for bloody expensive holidays in Australia for YOUR QUEEN AND ALL HER RETARDED FAMILY....THEN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO WIN THE MEDAL COUNTS AT FUTURE COMMONWEALTH GAMES which will be the first time since 1986.

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Can i just add, that I agree about the 'retarded' family bit, that was actually quite good

He is



Been the best defender out of our backs this tournemount.

Traitor!

Haha, i know....but they are a bit aren't they? I like having a Royal Family, a lot of countries are envious of us having one. We should be allowed to pick our own though, in a phone vote or something.

I've lost all confidence in voting in this country, i doubt anyone better would be a candidate, i doubt they would go and fight in wars and i'm certain they wouldnt bring as much money into the country as the royals do.

Why have you lost all confidence in voting in this country? There's nothing wrong with the practice of voting. It's the apathy of the population that should concern you.

The fact there is no one worth voting for last time i voted i had 5 choices

labour-had been a labour supporter all my life but after they way theyve handled alot of thing such as student fee's and lying about how they were going to implement the smoking ban etc i have lost all faith in them. New labour=another type of tory.

Torries-would never, ever, ever, ,ever vote tory they still revere that evil old b*tch thatcher ffs, they destroyed alot of peoples lives round here and i wont forgive them for that, on top of that i dont think they would have a clue how to run the country (not that laour have done that good a job).

Lib dems-agree with some of there policies but very strongly disagree with some others, doubt they would form an effective goverment with no experiance and a history of indescision.

B.n.p- rascist scumbags nuff said.

green- no chance of getting in power and dont agree with many of their policies.

In the end i voted green, was going to spoil my vote as a form of protest but the green candidate was a good honest bloke and i wanted him to get his deposit back (which he did but the bnp bloke didnt, result). not that it mattered anyway, where i come from will always be labour until long after i die.

Buckingham Palace, this is Davina, you are live on Channel 4, please do not swear...

*GET LIZ OUT! GET LIZ OUT!*

Thats a better post mate.

We're very good at football, ranked 9th & our club teams are dominant in Europe.
Cricket-we have the ashes. I think we're good at it. We're just overplayed,touring too much & restricted by our weather.
Darts, snooker, Rugby Union-the last 2 World Cups we've been Winners & Runners up.
Our posh folk are excellent at rowing. We're very good at riding bikes...track & field events etc etc
We also have some World class RL players too-despite the disappointment of the national team,we've been pretty dominant in the World Club games.

We don't do that badly considering our very poor climate & p**s poor funding from our government.

I have become bored this last couple of weeks reading the poms glorification of 'THAT' Burgess try,it was just about the ONLYgood move England produced all match,then he stuffed himself up by trying to dummy another try not long afterwards,surely to God he didn't expect AUSTRALIA to fall for it twice?? so if he had used his brain??????? you could have been 12-0 up,so it just shows,he still has an awful lot to learn,which he should do in the NFL during his prime years,...it's a pity Trevor Foster isn't still around at Odsal Stadium to show him how a second row forward SHOULD PLAY RUGBY.

Err... Australia RU weren't superior to Scotland last week were they!

Anyway you ought to be good at sports as you have nothing else to do over there but practice. For us sport is something we do in our leisure time, while for you it is a religion and doesn't involve using your brains much. We invented most of the international sports. The best you lot came up with is a cross between a couple of sports we invented. Sorry I forgot you invented sledging didn't you.

We’re not debating a try that should have been, we are talking about your stupid, can’t-accept-anyone-from-England-is-any-good comments.

10940 says: “He’s a carthorse”

Petero Civoniceva says: "What a weapon, he's unbelievable, I think he's going to take the NRL by storm "

Nathan Hindmarsh says: "He's got a bit of skill and a bit of footwork and he's got good toe”

So who should I believe? A troll who has yet to post one anti-biased, intelligent comment or two of the best rugby players in the world who have actually played against him? I think I’ll take the latter.

Dunno may have to think about this one carefully, He's got me convinced we're crap at everything!

I understand as much about rugby League as anyone does,and I maintain at the moment Burgess is being over-rated,I have seen,(over the years) many potentional players that didn't turn out as good as they were expected to,..you see in England you have great problems with personel in nearly all your sports,one good performance and you lot start screaming"best since sliced bread, twelve months later on the scrap heap..(Panesar)for instance, Morgan is the next.

The trouble with you mate is,if people dont agree with you they must be a troll,..GET A LIFE.

Go back to school child.

I've learned that artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.

You obviously don't understand what a simple equation this is.....I'm not saying Burgess is the best player in the world, I'm not saying he didn't mess up a potential second try. What I am saying is that calling him a CARTHORSE is wrong....nothing else.....a belief that is backed up by two of your international players. Does someone with "skill and a bit of footwork and good toe" sound like attributes that a carthorse would have?

Having looked at some of your posts on here it is clear that you do not know as much as anyone on Rugby League, I've yet to see anything that isn't aimed at agitating the English on here, which is what you seem to spend all your time doing.....therefore maybe you should get a life and try considering making one, decent, rugby-league based comment rather than a hundred stupid The-English-are-rubbish-at-everything ones.