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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Fair post. I think what stops the same sort talk about Senior (and this is only my opinion, mind), is that, although he's been one of Britain's top two centres since what 2002(?), I don't think a lot of people rate him as highly as they did the likes of Newlove and Connolly. We've also had a lot of high quality overseas centres in SL over the last 10 years, whereas we've tended to do better at producing our own hookers and Cunnigham has been the best of that bunch.'"
Why though? Senior is better than both of them. Especially at international level.
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| Quote ="Could you please change m"Why though? Senior is better than both of them. Especially at international level.'"
Senior wasn't better than Newlove.
Newey scored 36 tries in 27 matches spearheading our title charge in 96, with his winger Sullivan scoring bagfuls year after year. Senior is a cracking player, but Newlove was a cut above in his pomp.
I wouldn't argue that Senior has done more at international level, but Newlove obviously couldn't be ar*ed with GB (which is what makes him fall short of being a legend in my eyes).
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I wouldn't argue that Senior has done more at international level, but Newlove obviously couldn't be ar*ed with GB (which is what makes him fall short of being a legend in my eyes).'" Getting him on the pitch abroad was difficult, but whenever Newlove played against the Aussie he caused them trouble.
I remember him giving Ettinghausen (sp?) a right headache in '97 even though our team was so far on the back foot they may as well stayed in the changing rooms. Top try scorer in the 95 world cup. there was also the time we were desperate (94 ashes I think) to get him back from injury toplay a part in the series - IIRC he came off the bech to score?
I have to say, the likes of Newlove, Connolly, Offiah, Davies and Robinson we're streets ahead of the british 3/4s that we've had in the 00's
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| Quote ="Trimalchio" It is unlikely he would have made it in RU at hooker anyway with the game being so different in this position.
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i agree,and so did the welsh ru at the time.they wanted him to play inside centre.i dont know if it would have worked not knowing that much about union,but that is what i was told.
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| Quote ="Could you please change m"Why though? Senior is better than both of them. Especially at international level.'"
Sorry but there is no way Senior is better than either Newlove or Connolly in their "pomp"
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Senior wasn't better than Newlove.
Newey scored 36 tries in 27 matches spearheading our title charge in 96, with his winger Sullivan scoring bagfuls year after year. Senior is a cracking player, but Newlove was a cut above in his pomp.
I wouldn't argue that Senior has done more at international level, but Newlove obviously couldn't be ar*ed with GB (which is what makes him fall short of being a legend in my eyes).'"
Didn't Newlove have a fear for flying in an aircraft, hence no overseas tours.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Didn't Newlove have a fear for flying in an aircraft, hence no overseas tours.'"
Correct
"You ain't putting me on no plane, fool!"
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"icon_lol.gif Senior hasn't played in the front row for 14 years! It's far easier to achieve such longevity as a back.'"
Statistically speaking, Senior takes the ball into contact, and makes more tackles per game, than many forwards as he isn't interchanged. He has been playing as an extra 2nd row forward for the last 3 years.
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| Quote ="GB Lion"Sorry but there is no way Senior is better than either Newlove or Connolly in their "pomp"'"
What did Connolly ever do for England or GB in his "pomp"? Senior's test career pishes over his, and the same could be said of Newlove, but that is more debatable.
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| Quote ="Could you please change m"What did Connolly ever do for England or GB in his "pomp"? Senior's test career pishes over his, and the same could be said of Newlove, but that is more debatable.'"
did Connolly ever score an international try in the end?
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"did Connolly ever score an international try in the end?'"
Think he saved them all for Wigan.
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"did Connolly ever score an international try in the end?'"
yeah 2003 i think?? the same series that moz got sent off in 12 seconds
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| Quote ="Could you please change m"What did Connolly ever do for England or GB in his "pomp"? Senior's test career pishes over his, and the same could be said of Newlove, but that is more debatable.'"
And Seniors test career reads what exactly?
They have both been in underachieving international teams there whole careers.
In their prime I know who I would have rather had in my team.
Oh btw has Senior tried his luck in the NRL?
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| in all fairness to senior,connolly,cunningham and any other gb player over the past 15 years,hardly any have excelled at international level.sculthorpe and farrel,but no others have.
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| Quote ="GB Lion"And Seniors test career reads what exactly?'"
I imagine it reads better than 1 try in 31 games for GB.
Quote ="GB Lion"hey have both been in underachieving international teams there whole careers.
In their prime I know who I would have rather had in my team.'"
Senior in the all conquering Wigan team would have blasted Connolly's achievements out of the water. Connolly was a very good defensive centre. Senior is an attacking weapon.
Quote ="GB Lion"Oh btw has Senior tried his luck in the NRL?'"
If playing in the NRL is the barometer for talent, then Edwards must have been awful.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"
If playing in the NRL is the barometer for talent, then Edwards must have been awful.'"
He was for GB.
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| Quote ="GB Lion"And Seniors test career reads what exactly?
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30+ caps. a 13 year international career, multiple selections in the world 13. A man of the series award against NZ in 02, and a series winners medal against NZ.
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| Quote ="Could you please change m"30+ caps. a 13 year international career, multiple selections in the world 13. A man of the series award against NZ in 02, and a series winners medal against NZ.'"
I bet he doesnt have them anymore, he prob sold them on ebay
To be serious though, as to the 3 centres carrers, In my opinion Newlove and Conolly both played against far better opposition throughout the world in there day than Senior has.
btw I'm in no way saying Senior has been a bad centre!
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| Quote ="GB Lion"I bet he doesnt have them anymore, he prob sold them on ebay
To be serious though, as to the 3 centres carrers, In my opinion Newlove and Conolly both played against far better opposition throughout the world in there day than Senior has.
btw I'm in no way saying Senior has been a bad centre!'"
How do you work that out?
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"
If playing in the NRL is the barometer for talent, then Edwards must have been awful.'"
Edwards played in Australia. Balmain I think....
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| Quote ="Could you please change m"How do you work that out?'"
I work it out by the that they played against, were better than the Senior played against, IMO
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| Quote ="GB Lion"I work it out by the centres that they played against, were better than the centres Senior played against, IMO'"
Name them then...
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| Quote ="bobm"Edwards played in Australia. Balmain I think....'"
He did and he was gash.
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| Quote ="bobm"Edwards played in Australia. Balmain I think....'"
I know, but my point is that he was rubbish and played reserve grade. Think he scored 1 first grade try in his time there.
The point being - playing in Oz isn't the be all and end all and you don't have to have played there to be a top player.
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| Quote ="Could you please change m"He did and he was gash.'"
Would you say the same thing about Ellery?
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