thats ok, took about 20 seconds to find it, then 5 minutes having a laugh at the rest of the document

Of which most were ' subjective ' , unlike a bricks and mortar stadium , which we still havent seen yet at any other club , except of course the one that moved 150 miles to find one

The state of the playing facilities was subjective also. However, objective / subjective - it really doesn't matter. The people that scrutinised the franchise applications made their decision based upon the stated criteria, one (and only one) of which was the state of the playing facilities. The decision they reached seems, to most of us, a reasonable one. Forgive me if I've misunderstood you, but you seem to have spent two years thinking that because Leigh had a more modern (and, therefore, subjectively 'better' stadium) they should have been a shoe in. If the decision were based on facilities alone, they may have been. But it wasn't, and they weren't.

I think the fact that Leigh had a new stadium but it was specifically excluded from the assessment is what confuses most people. Wheras other applications seemed to have been judged on what might be. A strange and dare I say unfair application of the franchising criteria, I'm sure you'll agree.

Of course not , junior development was one of them , how many International/SL/Championship players had the Celtic Crusaders produced in 2007 ?

And yet Mr Lewis stated on BBC Manchester that they had a better development record than Leigh

Then of course we have the financial aspect , they havent had any problems with that subject have they ?

Of course they were , on the one hand we have

Brewery Field , a 90 year old Rugby Union ground with one stand , a standing terrace down one side with a few boxes above it and a shed down one end , in fact it doesn't even have the required number of seats to be allowed into SL , it makes Wheldon road and Hilton park look like Wembley in comparison

And on the other we have the

LSV , the latest state of the art stadium with undersoil heating , the facilities for the latest 3 D broadcasting and numerous other advantages

Very ' subjective

Soooooooperdoooooooper league based on STADIA only would comprise of

Wigan

Warrington

Huddersfield

Hull

Catalans ?

Harlequins

Widnes

Leigh

Doncaster

Sheffield ( if at Bramall Lane)

The rest, even with the money spent on them, old, past it, badly thought out (subjective viewpoint) etc., etc.,.

It's a good job then that other criteria are far more important, and that actual playing ability is thankfully ignored.

bring back promotion and relegation, the current system is a joke

The current system hasn't had time to prove whether it works or not.

Not the only place though is it, Leeds, Bradford, Wakey amongst others. The main beef was always the distance from the pitch, if the temporary seats are moved to a similar position at the other end it will be as good as most and as NH said, it will be temporary as plans are in place for the next phase which is the South stand.

Your wasting your breath, they believe its free money from the disabled cancer victims budget and nowt will change their view. I have dealings with a guy from a scaffold company who is a KC regular and he has said for years he wouldn't go to CP because he wouldnt pay to stand in the south stand, I asked him recently if he would now go if he could be accommodated under cover in a brand new north stand, he said no. Some of them hate us being in SL, even though it was achieved legitimately through hard work on and off the field, unlike them who were bailed out by the RFL when they should have been in administration and relegated.

I know of plenty of Rovers fans that thought the same about the Boulevard though, they wouldn't go not because of the state of the place but because it was Hull FC's home. Now these same people go to the KC, it just doesnt feel, look or smell like Hull FC's home. This is why I am happy to stay at Craven Park, it feels like home and not just a rented accomodation that anyone is allowed to use as long as they pay for it.

The KC is a bit like a high class hooker, she is still a prostitute that anyone can pay to use, whereas Craven Park is like the fat girl you decide to marry because nobody else will have you and you feel like it's time to settle down and have kids! It'll never be the most stunning stadium but she's going on a diet having a bit of plastic surgery and she'll look alright but at the end of the day she is still ours and us red and whites love her!!!

Pillocks then, The Boulevard was a great place to watch a derby, the atmosphere was electric, I think the fans of either side who refuse to go because they just hate the other team are not true fans at all, surely its about supportting your team at the end of the day. If FC shoved the prices up for our visit I would be p!ssed off, but would still go. You will always get the ones who feel that way, but I do understand the reasons for not wanting to stand on the south terrace, not because its in the open (I am sure the same people will stand in the open at Wakey, Salford, Leeds etc etc), but because of the view. The refusal to attend once we have a brand new, quality covered seating stand will be just down to not being a real fan.

no it wasnt, you have been listening to Starbugs confused paranoia too much.

At the risk of repeating myself bringing back promotion and relegation would remove all the confusion and conspiracy theories. If you finish top you deservedly get promoted and likewise if you finish bottom then you deservedly get relegated

Couldn't agree more

What a crazy notion.

Push your keyboard aside and step away from the computer, the Franchising Police will be along shortly to knock your flat cap from your head which incidentally, is full of magic.

Can someone tell me why at Hull KR, the stand that is rarely used has a massive patch of grass between the pitch and stand. Did it use to have a purpose?

New Craven park was also used for speedway and greyhound racing

thats not a very flattering picture.

Unfortunatly that was how it looked.
We had one of the smallest pitches in pro RL it also hardly semed to have any grass on it half the time.
This is why some Rovers fans get so frustrated when people get digs in about NCP.
We know what we had, we also know that its still not perfect BUT its 1,000 times better then it was and is still being improved and up to now it has been at the cost of the club.
Digging up the Dog/Speedway tracks, Relaying the pitch with new drainage, New floodlights, Temp stand, East stand extension and new turnstyles all payed for by the club.
A fair few clubs havent done half and a quarter of that and they have been in SL with the money that it includes far. far longer than we have.

has it changed a lot?,iv'e not been for a few years now.

You just missed out on my edit.

thanks for that.
it sounds like your doing it the hard way,hopefully it'll be worth it.