I'd swap it all tho to be back to back champs

Don't Leeds also have the claim to fame of being in the 1st ever grand final?

And getting beat by wigan.

Oh that don't count tho coz wigan broke the salary cap that year

Yes you have won a lot more than Leeds. But this doesn’t mean you have a better history than Leeds. Winning more stuff is just winning more stuff. Winning more stuff doesn’t mean you have a brillient history though.

Celtic Crusaders are in super league ahead of Widnes. But who has the better history despite the circumstances?

Leeds have a better history than St Helens despite the saints winning more stuff end of.



Neil Armstrong was the first man to step on the moon but does that make him the best astronaut to step on the moon?



George Washington was the first president of the united states but does this mean he was the best president of all time?



Floyd Mayweather, Jr was the first person to knock Ricky Hatten out in his professional career. Does this make Manny Pacquiao’s knockout second best?



Tony Hawks was the first person to walk round Ireland with a fridge. Does this make him the best ever person to walk round Ireland with a fridge?



That I’ve already given you credit for. But you have broken the salary cap in the SL era. Just accept the facts. You should pick on a side more your own size with Wigan Warriors when it comes to history & cups you BULLY.



Please do

I don't give $hit who was 1st on moon or any of that crap that has nothing at all to do with rugby.

Super league records say we have better history than you. Fact

We won super league more than Leeds.fact

We won more challenge cups than Leeds. Fact

We won more league leaders sheilds than Leeds. Fact

We topped super league more than Leeds. Fact

We have better history than Leeds. Fact

So damo you admit that saints and wigan have better history than Leeds?

Also maybe the bulls!

Best Yorkshire team to play super league?

The bulls. Fact

Quote ="St pete"I don't give $hit who was 1st on moon or any of that crap that has nothing at all to do with rugby. '" I’m just giving other examples that first don’t always mean your better. Quote Super league records say we have better history than you. Fact'" Yeah this is signature material. A saints fan saying rugby league started in 1997! Quote We won super league more than Leeds.fact'" Doesn’t make you the best super league side though. I’m sure Leeds Rhinos hold record for the best deffence and attack in a season. Quote We won more challenge cups than Leeds. Fact'" It’s a cup competition that’s seen better days. At least Leeds were winning it whilst the whole competition was appreciated and not just the final. Quote We won more league leaders sheilds than Leeds. Fact We topped super league more than Leeds. Fact'" Quote We have better history than Leeds. Fact'" Leeds have the better history. You ought to take a read of the clubs history here - www.therhinos.co.uk/club/history/317.php

Quote ="St pete"I don't give $hit who was 1st on moon or any of that crap that has nothing at all to do with rugby. '" I’m just giving other examples that first don’t always mean your better. Quote Super league records say we have better history than you. Fact'" Yeah this is signature material. A saints fan saying rugby league started in 1997! Quote We won super league more than Leeds.fact'" Doesn’t make you the best super league side though. I’m sure Leeds Rhinos hold record for the best deffence and attack in a season. Quote We won more challenge cups than Leeds. Fact'" It’s a cup competition that’s seen better days. At least Leeds were winning it whilst the whole competition was appreciated and not just the final. Quote We won more league leaders sheilds than Leeds. Fact We topped super league more than Leeds. Fact'" Quote We have better history than Leeds. Fact'" Leeds have the better history. You ought to take a read of the clubs history here - www.therhinos.co.uk/club/history/317.php

The best poster on rlfans for constantly spouting e - Damo - FACT

Saints won,you all need to get over It.

I edited so it said history & cups. If you want to laugh at Leeds because of our cup record then your ought to pick on a bigger cup record than yourselves. You would never see me going on a Castleford forum and pointing out that our cups are more in numbers than yours.

Leeds have the best history in the whole of super league. St Helens and Wigan may of won more than us but they’ll never have an history as proud and humble as ours.



The Bulls had they little patch and they one year wonder in 2005 which was a blatant breach of the salary cap.

Yet in this case he appears to be the more rational one.

Who'd have thought it...

Yes damo but u was saying we only win all these cups coz we cheat!!

How wrong could you be.

Man of steel= scully(twice), Lyon, wellens, roby, graham. Did they all cheat?

BBC team of the year was saints even before the Ryder cup team.

BBC coach of the year was Anderson that was before any other coach in any sport that year. Did he cheat?

Look damo, saints are steeped in super league history. You can't deny it!!!

Can’t say much for Scully, Lyon and Wellens & Graham. Trent Barrett we all agree was the better player than James Roby that year. Most people will even go as far as saints players get MOS these days before the season has even started. But I just think the roby one was the dodgy one.



I don’t know what the competition was for excellent teams that year sport wise but it was a wonderful result for rugby league no doubt.



The most over rated coach after Wayne Bennett. Wally Lewis could of coached that saints team to the same highs that season!



Yes you are. But Leeds still have a better history overall. Rugby League did not start in 1997.

I've checked out your link to Leeds history.

Now you look at ours.

That debate is over. Saints win.

You are the 2nd best team in Yorkshire if you wanna look at super league history.

It seems for all our awards you have sumat to say against.

For the record I do like Leeds. They are good club, good rugby ground, good fans but no history.

I also respect Leeds for the youth policy and I've liked your last 2 coaches but smith is by far better than mini me.

I think if Leeds keep up with the youth system they will have a good history in bout 10 years.

Your correct rugby didn't start in 1997 but it didn't start only 2 years ago either

And I like St Helens. I’ve checked the history* of the town but not the club. We all have our own opinions. Great debate that has taken up a chunk of the evening.

Cheers and good luck for the rest of the season.



*Someone from St Helens become the president / prime minister of New Zealand.

Just to put you in your place.

I've seen Wigan win more in my lifetime than Saints or Leeds have won in their entire history.

Yes but wigan cheated coz they was all fulltime pros at the time.



When all teams went fulltime you was put in your place.

How many cups have wigan won since the game become even as we all went fulltime?

Yes good luck to you to mate.

Enjoyed the debate.

C ya pal

So I take it you wasn't born after 1996

Another St. Helens urban myth.

How many did Wigan win before they went full time pro?

Rogues?
More like 1896

I don't care mate.

I was avin a debate with damo not you.

I hate wigan and won't have anything to do with them.

They was the only fulltime team thru the 80's and early 90's and won everything coz of it.

They also bought every good player any team had.

Then the game went fulltime with the introduction of super league and wigan has only been champs once since.

Wigan also had a greater salary cap than all other teams when they won super league.

It's no myth that wigan was fulltime! It's fact!

When did Wigan go full time?

Fact!

What does a club have to do then to have history? Because I'm pretty sure Leeds have a long and quite successful history. In fact I'm pretty sure almost all the clubs in Super League and quite a few out of Super League all have history.
Just because a team hasn't won a hat load of trophies doesn't mean they don't have history.