the fact they were quickly given the opportunity would make it more attractive, hence the fact someone else wanted to invest.

The difficulties they and other clubs face is obviously not a plus point
Why wouldnt they guarantee their involvement for the period of their license with a minimum salary spend?

which is massively different from having £10m sat in the bank

i suggest (again) that we have a legally enforceable guarantee, guaranteeing a club competes for the length of its license with a minimum salary spend

hey im all up for a debate on how to make heartland clubs stronger

that some clubs have done it means others can. the elimination of P&R doesnt take away the ability of clubs to improve. indeed by removing automatic promotion teams will be more long term focused on the important things

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<shakes head>

well, if heartland clubs were stronger then :

1. RL would have more media
2. RL would get more sponsors, including expansion clubs
3. away crowds would be more
4. TV deals would be larger meaning more money for clubs and more RFL reserves to fund expansion projects

to put it simply = stronger heartland = stronger game = easier to expand

if clubs like oldham, rochdale and fax are struggling, what chance RL in a foreign area with establishment sports and media being hostile.

One of the reasons why i argued that with the next tv deal the lower league clubs should recieve some funding (only a small percentage compared to sl clubs, say 70k for the championship and 30k for c1), this would allow an increase in playing standards, youth development and advertising and would result in a stronger heartland, with bigger crowds, more players developed and a better image for rl.

There is only one way this is going to go.

Virtually all the existing Crusaders supporters will switch to supporting the new South Wales club.

The new South Wales club will be competitive both on and off the field, over a period of a few years and, hopefully do what we should have been doing with the Crusaders, giving them a decent amount of time to build up a sound footing for a tilt at Super League for maybe 2015 or 2018.

The people of Wrexham, by and large, have no interest in rugby of either code so quite why anyone thinks that they will get crowds even anything like what is needed to survive, I don't know.

The Crusaders won't even be around to receive a licence for 2012. They will be dead by the end of the forthcoming season.

there already is a paying TV deal for NL1/2 clubs which is tied to certain criteria.

its a start. clearly down the track a higher TV deal will help a lot.

and crowds should grow too as well.

NL1 heartland clubs should be averaging at least 4000 - 5000 fans.

You've got to hand it to us.

If nothing else we get people talking and posting.

If your talking about the offer to pay a fulltime exec and marketing man then that isnt from the tv money, and is rarely used due to the fact that only clubs that can afford to pay those people anyway can take the chance of employing such people as the rfl might not decide to pay them.

The championships recieve no money from central funds that can be used towards youth development, player strength or advertising.

how far from another SL team do you have to be to get the point?

thats not what ive read at all.

i read that there is a small paying TV contract for lower level clubs provided its spent on certain things. i guess the marketing manager / fulltime exec are those things.

your post seems to say some clubs wont do it because the RFL might say no. surely they can pick up a phone or send of an email first ?

if heartland clubs cant have proper marketing people or a fulltime exec they deserve their current fate dont they.

im interested in these clubs that can actually go somewhere. the rest are just leeches.

It would seem that you read wrong then.

No you can only apply for those funds if you already have the personel in place, if the rfl decide then not to stump up the cash (which they can do, and as i understand it there isnt money to do this for every club anyway so even if all clubs applied not all clubs would get it), the club is then to stuck with an employee who they may not be able to afford to pay.

Clubs can have 'proper' exec's and marketing people without them being fulltime, in some cases employing these people on a fulltime basis does not benefit the club much but increases the wage bill, which isnt a very efficient use of the sports limited resources.

All clubs can 'go somewhere' given the right support, unfortunatly central support for the championship is limited to say the least, some clubs struggle without this support, but a number of sl clubs would struggle without central support such as tv monies.

20 miles IIRC?

Why ?

You really are commenting on things you havent a clue about

But anyway , can you help me on this

How has the Melbourne Storm been financed ?

And at what cost financially ?

If you think that, why did you state this earlier?



Make your mind up.

i have made up my mind

i think its funny you spent that amount of time trying to make me look hypocritical

NRL clubs have a fulltime CEO and marketing people.

yes, all RL clubs should have them

because crowds are poop and should be better and over time the game is showing massive growth in SL which will flow on to lower down as money gets better.

just trust me.

Dally for RFL Chief Exec Officer.



He's way ahead of his time with his pinpoint targetting of the games' troubled hot spots.

No time at all - and you are hypocritacal, you dont just look it.

thanks for your support, it means so much

so looking it and being it are different eh?

thanks for your help there.

Your welcome.

I usually give my support to the needy at least once during the year. Until today i was fast running out of time. My conscience is now clear for another 12 months.

What crowds do Newtown and North Sydney get in their comp? Or the rest of the teams in the NSW Cup for that matter?