Go and look at the picture I loaded on page one. The ball bounced IN FRONT OF THE BLOKE THAT PASSED IT.......I didn't photo-shop this, it's a straight screen grab from the highlights available on-line.....



I never said he "certainly" threw it forward....I said he attempted to throw a pass backwards/flat and failed......it was a badly controlled pass that landed ahead of him and the intended recipient and it should have been pinged.....a couple of feet is momentum, 4 meters is a pi55 take!

Okay, have another look at the photo and then realise that the player you think is Sutcliffe (who passed the ball) is actually Briscoe, Sutcliffe is about 2 metres ahead of the ball obscured by a Broncos player.

Other than that though excellent detective work.

Any other 'evidence'?

Can’t see the image you posted but I’ve watched the video and when the ball hits the floor Sutcliffe is bang on the 10m line with 2 London defenders and the ball hits around the 12m mark. So no it doesn’t land in front of him.

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The ball lands 4 meters ahead of where he passed it and in front of him....the different shading in the grass cut clearly shows the ball has traveled 4 mtrs forward.....most blokes are 2 meters tall at best, so the length of 2 men ahead of where it left his hands......Dan Marino has passed more laterally

One again, the player you think is Sutcliffe is actually Tom Briscoe. The ball is a good 2 metres behind Sutcliffe who would have done amazingly well to throw a ball forwards at that pace and then overtake it.

Watch the video, even look at the hair colour and you'll see immediately that you're wrong about the ball landing in front of him. It didn't.

The ball landing that far in front of where he passed it is perfectly consistent with the laws of physics. I know facts can be a pain, but they come in very handy.

No the person you think is Sutcliffe in that 2nd picture is actually Briscoe, Sutcliffe is obscured in that picture behind the London defenders on the 10m line as I said. Do another screen shot of when Myler picks the ball up and you’ll see how far ahead Sutcliffe is and how he’s ahead of Briscoe on that far side.

He attempts to throw the pass backwards but loses control as he passes it and leaves his hands forward. So it is not clear as day its subjective and open to opinion. Yours just happens to be wrong.

You still don't seem to understand physics, it doesn't matter where the player that passed it is when the ball hits the ground, all that matters is did the ball leave the hands of the player passing it backwards.

Your screen grabs are not proof of anything other than you don't seem to know what your on about I'm afraid

I've just watched the clip again.

A. You have got the wrong person Sutcliffe is way ahead of where the ball lands.
B. It really wasn't a forward pass - it was a rubbish pass but not forward.

Can someone provide a video link, the intrigue is killing me?

Quote ="tigertot"Can someone provide a video link, the intrigue is killing me?'" https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... -22-london

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Backwards out of the hands, totally fine

Hopefully that puts the matter to bed and Call me God will admit his argument was based upon him getting the wrong player

1. I got the wrong player....but my argument is still sound.
2. The ball still lands on the ground 4 meters ahead of where it was passed.......it was forward. Momentum is one thing, but 4 meters in a second is pretty much a slam dunk in terms of it being forward......I'd be happy for the games governors to remove any doubt about this....the ball must be caught behind the point from where it was passed.......flat/lateral.....it's just too vague.

Congratulations. You've just ended all forms of rugby because you don't understand basic physics.

is there a cup or a rosette or something?
FFS.......it was a forward pass. No amount of throwing a nun out of a moving plane will change that. The ball landed on the ground 4 meters ahead of where the player threw it........that's a forward pass, whether intended or not!

Having watched the highlights, there is no way that pass from Sutcliffe that Myler picked up is forward. No way.

However the pass to Sutcliffe for the break is a clear forward pass.

I presume that's what some people are complaining about.

Correct on both counts.

It looks like a clumsy pass that slips out of his hands rather than being under full control (which is probably why it hits the ground rather than finding a player). When the ball does hit the ground, at that point he's run on to be level with the point of impact, and hence not a forward pass. Hard for the ref to see that in real time though, and wouldn't have been surprised if it had been given forward.

He's 2 metres ahead of it. It's not even close to being a forward pass. The referee was dead level with him and looking at him as he threw it, so he saw it come out of his hands backwards and then travel backwards.

There is no argument to make about it being a forward pass, there is no controversy, there is only confusion amongst people who don't understand how passing while running works.

Thanks. Original direction is back. Irrelevant everything else.

These are the ones that annoy you as a fan. The short forward pass that happens every week and in this instance it was crucial to the final result, but it’s pointless complaining about it anymore.

Leeds - backwards
Wire - forwards