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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"Still better than most other clubs.'"
Which ones ? , Catalans ? , W1g4n ? , Saints ? , Hull ? , Leeds ? , Hull KR maybe ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Which ones ? , Catalans ? , W1g4n ? , Saints ? , Hull ? , Leeds ? , Hull KR maybe ?'"
Wire and bulls as well
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| I didn't say Super League clubs.
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| Quote ="RL13"I don't agree with that, either. That's a ridiculous number of times - and although, this is meant impartially (though, probably not sounding like it), it is better that the top-tier doesn't succumb to such obstacles.'"
Fine , so they play each other twice and one MM weekend giving a 15 game season , and they all get 2.2 million from SKY , as the games would all be closer and clubs would have more British players the attendances at them would increase and everything would be tickety boo
Better prep for the International games and probably bigger crowds at the Challenge cup matches as well
I'd go for it , its a winner
SUPER DUPER league
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"I didn't say Super League clubs.'"
But this is about SL , not the Championships
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| Quote ="Starbug"Fine , so they play each other twice and one MM weekend giving a 15 game season'"
As Derek from Spinal Tap once said, "That's a cozy ten minutes." How long will this season actually last? From March till June? Super League will need a jazz odyssey!
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| hilarious. warrington and wigan are now super after one and a half good seasons apiece.
as for the principal, eight is probably ambitious.
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| Quote ="RL13"As Derek from Spinal Tap once said, "That's a nice little set, isn't it, that's a cozy ten minutes." How long will this season actually last? From March till June? Super League will need a jazz odyssey!'"
Any fans wanting to watch more RL could attend Championship matches , lets not forget that fans of SDL clubs are more followers of the ' sport ' than their own team , aren't they ?
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| 10 team super league, with promotion and relagation! That means more SL standard players will have to play in championship and prob improve crowds and intrest.
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"hilarious. warrington and wigan are now super after one and a half good seasons apiece.
as for the principal, eight is probably ambitious.'"
Yes but we have to start somewhere
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| Quote ="DropGoalGiant"10 team super league, with=#FF0000 promotion and relagation! That means more SL standard players will have to play in championship and prob improve crowds and intrest.'"
Now , now , dont be silly
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| I would just have 4:
Wigan
Leeds
Warrington
Hull
Saints have dropped right off - lost a lot of fans ergo, not super any more. Yes, 4 would be smashing.
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| Quote ="j.c"Wire and bulls as well'"
Avergae attendances so far:
1. Wigan 16863
2. Leeds 14747
3. Bradford 14251
4. Hull 12363
5. Warrington 10779
6. Hull KR 8361
7. St Helens 8261
8. Catalans 7949
9. Castleford 7267
10. Huddersfield 7243
11. Wakefield 6439
12. Salford 4567
13. Crusaders 3670
14. Harlequins 2841
You can add Cas to that list - imagine what we could do if we were in the top 2 like shudds and had their sy new stadium
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| unless you had ken davey as well, then probably not much,
try looking up hudds stats from about ten years ago,
its all down to money in the end.
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| Quote ="DropGoalGiant"10 team super league, with promotion and relagation! That means more SL standard players will have to play in championship and prob improve crowds and intrest.'"
Agreed. 4 team playoff, bottom relegated in each league:
Super League
Wigan
Warrington
Leeds
Bradford
Saints
Hull FC
Hull KR
Catalans
Huddersfield
Castleford
Championship
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Wakefield
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London Broncos
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Barrow
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Gateshead
4 'other'm teams, expansion, National Conference, French etc
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| 14 is probably about right for now. It may be a little too big at the moment but it gives the space franchising was supposed to give clubs in the position Salford, Quins, Crusaders, Hull KR, Cas/Wakefield/Widnes need to grow.
Without a massive investment somewhere we seem miles away from being able to expand though.
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| Looking at your championship1 league jonny the leyther, it looks like a very strong league! Alot stronger than it is now and more competitive! Would still have to be promo and relagation!
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| I dont think hetherington will be happy
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| No LEEDS!! I'm in! Seriously one of te biggest crowds is hull derby. So 10 team league please
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| You have to go spoil it!!
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| Now youv'e gone and upset the other Hetherington.
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| Quote ="j.c"Now youv'e gone and upset the other Hetherington.'"
If they deserve their spot, surely they would go up after one season?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"A lot of debate this time of year as ever about franchises and which team will be shafted to allow another similarly useless organisation into the setup. Would it not be a better idea to kick all the useless clubs out until they are ready? The only good enough teams next year will be:
Wigan
Wire
Leeds
Hull
Saints
Catalans
Huddersfield
Bradford
8 is plenty, we can add more when there is a cause to. Salford, Quins, Crusaders, Wakefield, Cas, Widnes and Hull KR are not really 'Super' enough.
14 games a season plus Challenge Cup and 3 x International Origin and play offs is fine. The teams would be far, far stronger. IMO crowds would rocket as every game would be close and there would be fewer games. Limiting supply would focus demand IMO. The NFL teams play 16 games a season for example.
It would help with player fitness and conditioning. It's a win-win for me. Sky deal could be spread more thickly and maybe the cap could rise slightly. International Origin could be given it's own weekends and big build ups and represent a genuine step up for the elite players, rather than a laugh at an exhibition with their mates as it bordered on this year.
Maybe 8 teams is a bit too far, but reducing it is the way to go IMO. The current league has 5 or 6 perennial strugglers, who struggle in every aspect of the game from financial, to attendances to youth development. The playing talent is spread too thinly and the competition hasn't developed like they planned when SL was introduced. Changing Widnes for Wakefield or Salford won't do a thing IMO.'"
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Wish people like you would go away and leave the game to those who love and understand it - have you not done enough damage with you're halfbaked ideas already.
A 14 game SL now that's financially viable, mate you're a simpleton
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| Quote ="vastman"SUPERSONIC YAWN
Wish people like you would go away and leave the game to those who love and understand it - have you not done enough damage with you're halfbaked ideas already.
A 14 game SL now that's financially viable, mate you're a simpleton
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Why should a club like Wakefield get a slice of the pie though? What do they bring to the competition?
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