So how many actual 1 st team games have these players ' plugged ' ?

Thats lovely, doesnt seem to address anything i put, but its lovely all the same.

Regardless, as we have seen, some SL clubs pay nothing but lip service to youth development, and whilst they may run scholarships and academies, their youth development is pitiful and commitment to young british players poor. Why do you assume, with evidence to the contrary and nothing in favour, that Hull KR will be different?

Yes they do, and they are producing players now, they are just 'in the main' coming from different areas. And there is nothing wrong with that. Leeds have done it with Rory Kettlewell, Saints with Dan Brotherton. It just seems you need to criticise it because some of your 'favoured' clubs have failed in this respect and it counters a lot of their excuses.

all of the above They are what makes Crusaders RL,

Well no, that would be ridiculous as the one thing they definitely have changed is their name.

Nice attempt at avoidance though.

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So which actual perssonel have been involved with all the incarnations ?

The name ' Crusaders ' which has been the only constant between the three

What evidence to the contrary , they have just had a player selected for an International squad , how many Leeds players made the same squad ?

Do they , can youprovide a link ?

How many 1 st team games have these players played ?

Can you provide a link to this thanks ?

is irrelevant.
and being based in Wales, and playing RL, and a fair few fans. but that doesnt fit your agenda does it.

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www.slstats.org/

none yet, which is relevant because............? Rory kettlewell and Dan Brotherton are examples of clubs going out, finding an RU player and bringing him to RL. It is to be seen if they are good enough, but they are still doing it

but how about two other examples like Simon Worrall and Liam Botham?

Quote ="SmokeyTA"7, www.slstats.org/ none yet, which is relevant because............? Rory kettlewell and Dan Brotherton are examples of clubs going out, finding an RU player and bringing him to RL. It is to be seen if they are good enough, but they are still doing it but how about two other examples like Simon Worrall and Liam Botham?'" Now you are taking the pi55

Quote ="SmokeyTA"7, www.slstats.org/ none yet, which is relevant because............? Rory kettlewell and Dan Brotherton are examples of clubs going out, finding an RU player and bringing him to RL. It is to be seen if they are good enough, but they are still doing it but how about two other examples like Simon Worrall and Liam Botham?'" Now you are taking the pi55

And much less fits your agenda

You cannot answer a question once again , surprisingly

Unfortunatly this link isn't working , try again

Rovers have several Union converts currently coming through our youth structure. The most notable at the minute being Sam Latus who broke into the first team this season after making his Rugby League debut in 2008 when Rovers re-formed our Academy side.

Starbug's right.

The Wcrusaders have done NOTHING. They've not played a game.
CrusadersRL fulfilled a season's fixtures. Nothing more.
CELTIC Crusaders and South Wales Scorpions developed Welsh players over a number of years, despite the incompetence of Leighton Samule.

Wcrusaders MAY develop a player from North Wales one day, from one of the numerous N Wales RL sides like ...... um ....... and er, you know ........ thingy. But they've developed NOTHING yet and I fear that day is decades hence.

Brotherton was a Northampton RL player who had also played RU (as has everyone in Northamptonshire) in the past. He took himself to St Helens on the back of his RL performances.

Therefore they should not be judged on it , their purpose is to salvage something from the mess that is the Celtic Crusaders , they need to survive financially and give RL a better profile in Wales , nothing more , if they can achieve that they will be considered a success

Contradiction and hypocrisy has a name. Its name...is Smokey(Kipperman)TA.

Its funny that having tried to do exactly what i described on the Eastmond thread, and failing miserably you come on to this thread to try and ride on Starbugs coat-tails. I almost feel sorry for you

The answer is, i dont know which personnel have been involved in all three incarnations of Crusaders. Much less do i care or think it relevant to the situation

If that is the case, good on them. Though one player playing one game does not a success make.

Thats a very strange way of trying to take away from the good work St's have done in this respect.

The Eastmond thread is a prime example Kipperboy!

it is indeed, your attempts to build straw men, attack them, then confuse yourself are some of your most obvious.

But its still funny to see you slink away, unable to get even the basics of your argument right and have to reappear here hiding behind starbug. Its sweet in a way

I'm not trying to take away from any work St Helens or anyone else has done. Just correct any misconceptions about Dan Brotherton's route into rugby league.

excellent point