I agree you 100%. P & R has never benefited British Rugby League.

I have arranged some counselling, with Dr George Fairbairn....I need closure. Thanks for not being abusive towards me.

Well, it's fair to say, no relegation certainly benefited Huddersfield.

actually, I think them going down in 2001 was the making of them.....being kept up artificially did them no favours at all.

I think you have confused ken davy's millions with relegation. Ken Davy deciding to spend money on them has been the making of Huddersfield

spot on.

the years of being the whipping boys and finishing bottom of SL those years was awful, we lost a generation of fans, alot went over to bullmania and leeds.

we were relegated and rebuilt the club, been upwards ever since through hard work and the dedication of ken davy and good coaches like tony smith and nathan brown.

the lost generation of fans is proving hard to get back but if you compare crowds with what they were in the 90's when crowds were in the hundreds we have come a long long way.

If we are that multicultural maybe our song shouldn't be Red Red Robin anymore. How about Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin?

The turning point for Huddersfield was appointing a good coach in Tony Smith. It set the standard for future coaching appointments.

Not that simple. If you don't believe me, ask David Hughes

That might be a good start.

Indeed.....
So now you'd better stop and rebuild all your ruins,
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And relegation is a destructive mostly catastrophic period for the relegated clubs. If you don't believe me ask Widnes, or Cas, or the multitude of other clubs who still haven't recovered from it.

Huddersfield didn't keep finishing bottom because they weren't being relegated, they were relegated because they weren't spending money and having to merge

If Huddersfield weren't relegated but Davy still invested and still brought in the names he did. Huddersfield would still be where they are now. If Huddersfield are relegated and Davy spends nothing, the probably don't exist right now.

Oldham, Workington, Halifax,

Salford were also immensely damaged by it and haven't recovered yet despite marwans millions.

Which ones would have experienced greater catastrophe if they had stayed up?

id like to think widnes and cas have done pretty well since being relegated, they have rebuilt just like the giants did through through the franchise system.

giants were spending money when finishing bottom, just badly managed at that time! when we merged with sheffield, jon kear was appointed the coach and he couldnt believe the wages the giants players were getting compared to the sheffield ones!

like i say we didnt get away with zero damage finishing bottom those years, we lost a generation of fans through it... our fans are mainly old or very young, the 25 to 35 brackets badly missing.

but some of us stuck with them through all this and are happy fans nowadays knowing where we have come from, some of the new ones have very high expectation and we need to have a reality check sometimes and look at how far we have come in a decade or so.

on the overseas topic ... Giants currently have only 2 on their books.. dont think any SL can say that.. we made the decision to sign young and british a long time ago. recenty announced a full time academy too.

AKA ex 'Bull power' bandwagoners

Widnes went bust. Cas publicly stated the damage done and the money lost after relegation. Not to mention the loss of their players. It took them years and nearly a million pounds from uncle jack.

Both clubs have needed a massive investment just to rebuild and only needed to rebuild because of the utter destruction wreaked by relegation.

I'd also remind you that the giants lost fans by being relegated as well.

In this article: [urlhttp://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/castleford/castleford-reveal-club-was-on-verge-of-collapse-1-6782108[/url

Steve Gill said '(Chairman) Jack (Fulton) had put more than £800,000 in over the space of four to five months'

If he put that much in in just a few months , god knows how much he's put in over the years.

can we get 'back on topic' please, Hull KR do not like signing English players....FACT, BUT WHY ?

most foreigners don't know where Hull is and by the time they find out, it's too late!

Have to say when we visited Huddersfield early in the 2002 season we were shocked at the complete lack of juniors watching them

Maybe it went of topic because no one cares?

Yup, just ' outraged of Leeds ' and wind up of Lower Hutt

Maybe we should recruit on a model of Leigh RL ,and languish in the lower leagues for years on end and if we ever manage to win promotion we may end up winning just one game,ring any bells budgie boy,