I disagree.

You shouldn't. This is the only team roster that will take Super League forward into the 21st century.

Amateur clubs gets subs from its players for its finances, same as every sport, why should the pro clubs pay amateur clubs? They aren't even ran by the same governing body

That said I agree a restructuring from grassroots is needed ...

Pillock. Do you realise how long it took me to type that on a phone unsuitable for podgy fingers?

Not enough detail.

I agree.

come again?

Don't come to me about details. I'm not the details guy. I'm the ideas guy.

I like you.


Don't you start!

By the way, I wasn't excluding London from the top flight in some retreating to the heartlands type way, merely that I didn't think they'd be capable of being a top flight club going off the current outlook anyway.

Your idea lacks detail.

Your detail lacks idea.

Any London (or other expansion) club in the top tier would need to be centrally funded, either by the RFL, the other SL clubs or the broadcast partner. Furthermore, I believe they would need to receive extra revenues and be allowed a cap 50% greater than the other teams as well as being permitted to have 10 overseas players in their squad.

The ARL, NRL and Murdoch's News saw the benefit of a professional team in Melbourne and backed the concept with cash and support for 18 years.

The RFL bowed to SKY's demands for a London team but didn't negotiate any support for it. The really weird thing is that the RFL "claim" 50% of the SKY viewers are in London......why in Christ's name haven't they asked SKY to advertise the London Broncos to these keen RL fans in London



Wales and Paris failed, London looks like going the same way. The new "expansion" clubs will take 50 years or more to get to anything like ready for the top tier...and believe me, without a London SL club, the Skolars et al will struggle to attract talent that the Union clubs will hoover up. 2 London Broncos lads ran out for London Irish reserves last week.....it's not about the game retreating to the heartlands, it's about the governing body's total failure in most aspects of their remit!

On one thread....



And on another....

2 relevant and non contradictory comments in 2 different discussions.....your crass editing aside, I stand by both.
1. If SL/the RFL/SKY TV insist on an expansion team, then they could do a lot worse than look at what worked in Melbourne. As I said, Wales and Paris failed, London on the way out...if you're going to expand, then you have to centrally fund it....either from the game itself or as I also said, from the BROADCASTER.
2. The SL clubs should not suffer financially because the RFL couldn't raise revenues...and the Championship chairmen should be busy sorting themselves out before having a pop at the likes of IL.

I agree. I don't think the RFL have the money to fund a London team properly though. It'd need what? An extra £2-3m per year? I don't think you'd ever convince enough of the other SL chairmen to give up money to go to someone else.
If the money's there though I'd be perfectly happy for the RFL to fund London, primarily, also a Welsh team if possible.
If not I wish someone like Sky would take them over like Newscorp did in the NRL.
A strong London team benefits everyone in my opinion.

Leave the lower division clubs to die rather than give them a fair slice of the pie but pay for a club nobody gives a flying poke about. Your taking the p1$$ right ???

2 separate issues....
AGAIN:

1. If the game is required to have expansion clubs.....London, Wales, Mars...it makes no difference, then the game or its broadcast partner should be footing the bill. If there is no need for an expansion team, then no problem...it's the choice of that clubs owners to invest or not.
2. What's fair about the Championship clubs getting revenue generated directly by SL? It isn't the SL clubs fault that nobody wants to broadcast the Championship games.....and it most assuredly not the SL clubs fault that the RFL have failed to monatise the game effectively.

The lower divisions will not die without this cash.....they wanted a bigger slice of the pie and as it stands, the SL chairmen aren't happy to give it up.

Hypocrites amuse me

Lower league clubs do get a fair slice of the Pie. In fact they get a very generous slice considering its a pie that isn’t theirs.

If enough people gave a poke about the lower leagues we wouldn’t be seeing this collective hissy fit because they aren’t being given a bigger handout. If you want to blame someone for the state of the championships, blame the people involved in it, if you want to find out why the lower leagues are where they are, compare and contrast the statements put out by SL CEO’s and the championship ones.

So as we are blaming championship clubs for the state they are in who are we blaming for London Broncos state these days ??? Not being given twice as much money as everyone else ??? Not having double the SC of everyone else ??? Sky not owning them ??? Not renaming the Challenge Cup the Broncos trophy and awarding them it every year in the hope it attracts 3 new fans ???

One rule for the championship and another for London.

The people running London. Nobody is making excuses at all for how London are being run. A lot of their failings are entirely down to the people running them. But there are a very specific set of circumstances only London face. If we don’t set London up to overcome these particular hurdles, and simply expect them to be run in the same way as a heartland club we will set them up to fail.

I can't believe how many of you are calling for P&R again. You must have short memories!! Its a complete disaster.

There is not ONE team in the championship as it stands that can sustain a SL spot, and all that will happen is the days of getting 12-15 overseas players and try and claw themselves off the bottom spot for a year or two but when they end up going down it nearly or does bankrupt the club.

and the SL club that goes down gets all it's players poached and when they get promoted again it has set the club back 5-10 years

all this for the sake of the supposed entertainment of a few relegation scrap games at the end of the season.

I would go for two leagues of 12 which would then split into 3 leagues of 8 mid season. Then at the end of the season, each league would have a top 4 playoff with all 3 Grand Finals played at Old Trafford, one after the other.

I would take the 14 teams currently in SL, divide them into the 9 teams in Championship One and then multiply that by the 14 teams in The Championship. That'll give us 8.99999 teams recurring. Then i'd go and watch football.

Firstly I would scrap the salary cap and replace it with a requirement to at least break even over a set period, say 3 years.

The federation trained rule HAS to stay and an U21/23 with a few overage players allowed to be reinstated.

I would have a 12 team SL and NO promotion and relegation.

This is a must IMO. I would introduce a set international calendar on a 4 year cycle. Year 1 and 3 a European and an Australasian competition similar to RU 6 nations. Year 2 a World Cup and year 4 a GB and Ireland tour.

With proper marketing and sponsorship deals in place once a fully professional 12 team second tear is viable it would then be introduced with promotion and relegation hopefully with a Welsh, Scottish and Irish team in it.