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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"Do lost puppies actually follow people around ? Do you have proof darling....
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| Quote ="maurice"The stats were 20% greater based on the fact that home win percentage was higher in the first place, eg If 60% of fixtures were home wins it was 72%.
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Interesting if true. I can’t be d to dig into the data myself, so I’ll take your word for it. I would suggest though, that the data set over the past 3 seasons is a relatively small sample to draw any conclusions on, and there are certainly other variables involved.
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| Quote ="DGM"Please can you refer us to any scientific studies carried out on the effects of an 8-hour flight and recovery time vs other travel times and methods?'"
As google seems to be beyond the realms of your capabilities.....
[urlhttps://www.medicinenet.com/jet_lag/article.htm[/url
Quote Recovering from jet lag depends on the number of time zones crossed while traveling. In general, the body will adjust to the new time zone at the rate of one or two time zones per day. For example, if you crossed six time zones, the body will typically adjust to this time change in three to five days.
Jet lag is temporary, so the prognosis is excellent and most people will recover within a few days.'"
The reality is that if you leave on Friday at 10.35 am on the sponsors flight, you will arrive at 6.35pm on your time, but actually 4 hours earlier......I am a seasoned international traveler and no matter what precautions you take (hydration/ eating the right foods etc) this will mess with your body because when the home team are sitting down to their evening meal at 7pm local time, your body thinks it's 11pm.......
Day 2, Saturday you'll wake up feeling fresh and fine, but your body and mind will tire quickly and you'll be knackered again by 7pm local time.....and Day 3 is normally when the worst of the Jet Lag hits.....day three or as we call it GAME DAY! There are 5 Time Zones crossed between Manchester and London.....even at the high end estimate of 2 a day, you still come up short in recovery time for visiting side.
I'm no doctor, but the sites that popped up when I googled this seem to agree with me.....and as I say, I travel internationally on a regular basis.
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| Quote ="maurice"The accepted jet lag equation is one day recovery per hour time difference, with East to wet recovery being harder. So 4 days after arrival you will be at your best either side, but that ain't an advantage. Super 8's stats say your chance of victory playing opposition who have travelled through time zones is 20% greater, but what do they know.
Ignoring the Hull troll, I am 100% behind TW playing SL asap by either winning a place or by franchise but integrity must be paramount'"
Just lol, utter tripe, there's no empirical studies that prove performance drops off, basically you have no concept as to how prepared/professional people deal with a minor 4-5 hour time diff. You're as likely to be effected emotionally than directly physiologically. Even a basic 30-60 min shift in sleep for 4 days would negate the time diff totally.
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| Not an ideal situation, id have hoped theyd have taken a couple of games on the Road to other places in Canada or the USA to grown RL.
But at least its better than the rumour on Facebook that they were going to play some ‘home’ games at Odsal! That would have been an shocker!
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| Quote ="UllFC"Not an ideal situation, id have hoped theyd have taken a couple of games on the Road to other places in Canada or the USA to grown RL.
But at least its better than the rumour on Facebook that they were going to play some ‘home’ games at Odsal! That would have been an shocker!'"
Well it looks as though they are planning to play some of their "home" games in Manchester as the ground in Toronto will still not be ready for the allocated matches despite the 11 away games initially
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Just lol, utter tripe, there's no empirical studies that prove performance drops off, basically you have no concept as to how prepared/professional people deal with a minor 4-5 hour time diff. You're as likely to be effected emotionally than directly physiologically. Even a basic 30-60 min shift in sleep for 4 days would negate the time diff totally.'"
Then Toronto should fall into the accepted home then away structures as travelling will have no impact on them?
I also accept that often the mental element is the greatest issue
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| Quote ="maurice"Then Toronto should fall into the accepted home then away structures as travelling will have no impact on them?
I also accept that often the mental element is the greatest issue'"
Sooo not paying attention at all to the fact that the stadium isn't owned by us and isn't available until late April thing are ya?
Growing pains as its our first crack at the new schedule with the earlier start to the season. It’s unbalanced and we will see what the negative impacts of it are on us and the other teams but it is what it is.
As far as the whole travel thing football teams travel for UCL/EL games to Russia and come back for weekend games in PL. Players travel, it’s a thing, they still perform as they are professionals. Yes it’s going to be tough on the semi pro teams but we are a Pro team meant for SL and we are earning our spot. If we were dropped in SL people would be ed that we got bumped up without earning it.
Canada loves the sport, we hope that we can contribute to the game as whole and everyone prospers through bigger TV contracts but for now deal with the growing pains.
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| Bro in law has lived in a Canada a number of years, so I get you didn't understand the sarcasm
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Just lol, utter tripe, there's no empirical studies that prove performance drops off.'"
Sorry....did I stutter?
[urlhttps://www.medicinenet.com/jet_lag/article.htm[/url
Quote Recovering from jet lag depends on the number of time zones crossed while traveling. In general, the body will adjust to the new time zone at the rate of one or two time zones per day. For example, if you crossed six time zones, the body will typically adjust to this time change in three to five days.
Jet lag is temporary, so the prognosis is excellent and most people will recover within a few days.
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Happy to discuss this further once you've let us know where you received your degree and doctorate from and in what area of the medical sciences you specialise?
"Utter Tripe" it is not.....a Medical Fact however, it is!
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"The jet-lag thing is overplayed. American sports teams travel these sorts of distances and back-up the following week routinely. Manchester to Toronto is comparable to a coast-to-coast flight in the US and you rarely hear NFL, NBA or MLB players complaining about jet lag. Similarly, some of the distances traveled in Super Rugby are pretty intense.'"
I watched an NBA game last year. The commentator said Utah (from Salt Lake City) who were playing at home, had played in Boston the night before and then we’re going back to the East coast for two games b2b two days later, then a three day gap before two home games in theee days
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"I watched an NBA game last year. The commentator said Utah (from Salt Lake City) who were playing at home, had played in Boston the night before and then we’re going back to the East coast for two games b2b two days later, then a three day gap before two home games in theee days'"
Professional athletes are well accustomed to this routine....specially as they have their own jets to get them there in the ultimate comfort. Butchers and Tyre fitters from Batley on the other hand...........sorry, but this gives Toronto a massive advantage in their home games.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Professional athletes are well accustomed to this routine....specially as they have their own jets to get them there in the ultimate comfort. Butchers and Tyre fitters from Batley on the other hand...........sorry, but this gives Toronto a massive advantage in their home games.'"
Is it Toronto's problem that the Batley team isn't made up of professional athletes? If the future of the sport in the UK is going to involve long-haul travel, then its down to everyone to get used to that.
Not for the first time, we're in danger of letting the tail wag the dog.
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| Indeed the tail being the one the dog being the sport. Let's give them 12 start and a couple of extra players on the pitch in the spirit of expansion at all costs,
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| Quote ="Krzzystuff"The reason were playing 11 away is because the stadium is city owned and has a dome over the pitch, not the stands, during the winter to allow for soccer and other community sports to be played in the winter. This comes off late April at which point the Wolfpack can start using it. Last year the home opener was May 6th, 2018 we are playing over a week earlier. The upgrades are only potentially affecting the first few home games if they aren’t competed on time, a city run project usually is late, and that’s why we have notified some of the first clubs to play in Canada not to book their trips yet.
Perez has mentioned in a few interviews that we won’t be looking at any major stadium upgrades or relocations until we get to SL (cough 2019 cough). Without a stadium that has a roof we will still be in the predicament of not being able to play until late April due to the weather which is why i believe we will play a few home games in our Manchester base to try and grow the brand in the UK as well as to allow for a more even playing field. Any new NA teams will be in the same situation as Montreal, NY and Boston have similar weather if not worse (Montreal) so playing “local” away games won’t be an option in the future unless again teams have a closed roof stadiums.
This might give us a bit of an advantage but the whole Wolfpack concept is meant for SL and FT teams that can come over a few days early to acclimatize. Travel is a given in NA sports so that’s why no one here is fazed by this. Ii do think that 11 straight games can negatively affect the players as they will miss their family, not everyone can come down for the whole summer due to work or other obligations, and the crowds might be affected by not having a chance to miss the game.
I can’t wait for next season to start and truly believe that the Championship will be the league to watch next year!'"
I sense that Toronto will be the the team that the other Championship teams will be the one that they most want to beat. If the concept is geared around achieving SL status, then there may well be a bit of a bump back to reality when it may not happen (quickly anyway). Other clubs have found out that money on its own doesn't buy success in this game.
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| ...and per the other references to professional sportsmen and travelling across time zones, remember that a significant number of Championship players are part-time. They usually have very accommodating employers, but not ones that will stretch to multiple days off work to acclimatise to a match abroad.
Any which way, and accepted that Toronto have an issue regarding their ground, the approach gives them an advantage which would have been a disadvantage if they had to adhere to a "normal" home/away schedule.
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| Quote ="HXSparky"I sense that Toronto will be the the team that the other Championship teams will be the one that they most want to beat. If the concept is geared around achieving SL status, then there may well be a bit of a bump back to reality when it may not happen (quickly anyway). Other clubs have found out that money on its own doesn't buy success in this game.'"
Quite aware that its the on field results that get you the success, money is a key ingredient but doesn't guarantee success. Also just to remind everyone the plan to SL was 5 years, we are going to be starting year 2 in 2018.
Do we wnat to make it to SL for 2019...yes, will it be a failure and que the drama and death bell if we don't, no.
different beast next season and really looking forward to the whole experience. We do need a lot more bodies on the roster if we are to compete however as we have only added one overall with Craig Hall's departure. i expect announcements post WC to grab the headlines and a hell of an opener vs Leigh!
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| Quote ="HXSparky"...and per the other references to professional sportsmen and travelling across time zones, remember that a significant number of Championship players are part-time. They usually have very accommodating employers, but not ones that will stretch to multiple days off work to acclimatise to a match abroad.
Any which way, and accepted that Toronto have an issue regarding their ground, the approach gives them an advantage which would have been a disadvantage if they had to adhere to a "normal" home/away schedule.'"
Free trip to Canada, complementary top notch meal at Argyles restaurant and our portion of central funding to all the championship teams should more than makeup for any financial hardship the trip may cause. The clubs can use the additional central funding they will receive to cover the lost wages, its your clubs call not ours what they do with the money.
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| Quote ="Nothus"Is there any word on broadcasters for Toronto's matches next season like there were in 2017?'"
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| Quote ="Krzzystuff"It will be premier sports again for the UK and were waiting to hear on the Canadian broadcaster still. The general belief is that we will be picked up by one if the national broadcasters SportsNet vs being on game TV again. They show SL games on their premium SNWorld channel already but TWP would be on the regular package channels for greater exposure. All speculation on the Canadian side mind you, nothing confirmed'"
I wonder if any will be picked up on free sport
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| Quote ="Krzzystuff"It will be premier sports again for the UK and were waiting to hear on the Canadian broadcaster still. The general belief is that we will be picked up by one if the national broadcasters SportsNet vs being on game TV again. They show SL games on their premium SNWorld channel already but TWP would be on the regular package channels for greater exposure. All speculation on the Canadian side mind you, nothing confirmed'"
Do Sky not have the rights to the champ??
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| Quote ="ColD"Do Sky not have the rights to the champ??'"
I think they do but the stand alone deal with PS will be honored for next year for TWP games home and away. Do they show any games from the Champ anyways? Next season is looking rather interesting so i would think they would capitalize on that, have been told the SL is second only to the EPL in viewership in the UK correct?
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| Quote ="Krzzystuff"....have been told the SL is second only to the EPL in viewership in the UK correct?'"
It used to be the case, but I'm not sure now.
According to BARB (ratings org in the UK) 173,000 tuned into the 2017 SL Grand Final on Sky Arena and another 185,000 tuned in on Sky Main Event delivering close to 360,000 for the game...which is good.
Problem is if you search the week prior, then the 2 Semi-finals got 112k and 89k....and the MPG got 50k......which was lower than the reported figures for 2nd tier football, ODI Cricket and the Malaysian GP at 7.30am on a Sunday morning.....all on SKY and Aviva Premiership Rugby and Scottish football on BT Sport...The really depressing thing is that on the Friday September 29th BT got more viewers for their Union than Leeds v Hull in the SL Semifinal clash.....and that's something that was unthinkable a few years back when BT was getting 40k at best.
I believe that this is entirely the fault of SKY TV and their scheduling of RL as a "filler" option as well as the RFL for selling the entire game to SKY TV and permitting them to treat us so badly!
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| Quote ="Call Me God"It used to be the case, but I'm not sure now.
According to BARB (ratings org in the UK) 173,000 tuned into the 2017 SL Grand Final on Sky Arena and another 185,000 tuned in on Sky Main Event delivering close to 360,000 for the game...which is good.
Problem is if you search the week prior, then the 2 Semi-finals got 112k and 89k....and the MPG got 50k......which was lower than the reported figures for 2nd tier football, ODI Cricket and the Malaysian GP at 7.30am on a Sunday morning.....all on SKY and Aviva Premiership Rugby and Scottish football on BT Sport...The really depressing thing is that on the Friday September 29th BT got more viewers for their Union than Leeds v Hull in the SL Semifinal clash.....and that's something that was unthinkable a few years back when BT was getting 40k at best.
I believe that this is entirely the fault of SKY TV and their scheduling of RL as a "filler" option as well as the RFL for selling the entire game to SKY TV and permitting them to treat us so badly!'"
I disagree that it's Sky's fault. This is a situation that has developed due to the poor spectacle on the field turning viewers away, and due to the failure by the clubs to market themselves to the sort of audiences that advertisers want to pay the likes of Sky to reach.
Sky heavily promotes F1 because wealth management firms, prestige car manufacturers and high-end jewelley makers want to pay good money to reach the people watching it. The only businesses who want to pay to reach the people watching RL are online bookies and payday lenders - we're no more important to Sky than Premier League Darts in that regard.
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