This is the sort of guy the rfl needs, he'd get a good SL sponsor along with a good tv deal. Take no crap, have some ambition, this guys got it.

Crazy decision, made too hastily.
We will never know whether Veivers was up to the task in hand, due to the circumstances that affected Salford in the close and pre-season.
Yeah, we find out that the new owner is prepared to be ruthless but, Veivers had rock all to work with and should have been applauded for even getting a team together to start the season.

I would say a predictable discision in modern sport. Get results or your out.

Vievers' coaching ability is probably the smallest issue if Koukash wants to turn Salford around quickly. That's unfortunate for Vievers, but also a plain fact.

Koukash has discovered that star players aren't interested in joining the current side. He's realised that he needs a big name coach first if he wants some of these players to have another look. I hope he also realises that money alone is not the problem (or solution) - Warrington have showed very clearly the difference the head coach can make.

Whoever he appoints will tell us all we need to know about whether Koukash is the real deal.

Not really.

When the new owner took over he made it very clear to everyone at the Club that if they were not up to it they would bring in people who were. PV was not given long, granted. But his performance was not great even before the takeover. Some peoples judgement is clouded by the fact that PV is a decent bloke and well liked in RL. That didn't mean he was capable enough for a head coaches job. As others have stated, you need the right man in at head coach to start the ball rolling. For me, the replacement will be the statement that Koukash means business. Most of the NRL coaches are tied into long contracts with a few exceptions. Tim Sheens is being linked to the job in the Sydney Morning Herald, and for me, would be the statement the Dr is looking for.

I think some people forget that sport is a business whether you like it or not and sentiment needs to be forgotten to have a chance at success. Every man and his dog seems to be overly vocal at the speed in which changes are happening at Salford. With most claiming that success wont come over night. Probably not, but Salford are a Club that needs things changing fast to give them the opportunity to start that road to better things.

Certainly I know who I'd rather have walking into a meeting with a potential sponsor.

Hopefully whoever gets appointed at Salford has the testicles to sit Dr Koukash down and point out that this isn't football, he hasn't bought the RL equivalent of Man City and that he needs to be patient and build the club from the ground up.

Otherwise, I fear we could end up with an RL equivalent of Abramovich.

God forbid an owner with cash wanting their club to be successful. Salford should know their place shouldn't they? How dare they target players who are light years ahead of what they already have. Maybe they should sit Ed Farish, Graham Lowe and Andrew Chalmers down too and tell them the same thing. They clearly know nothing about building a successful rugby league club. "Know your level" would be a good place to start.

Koukash and his management team clearly have no clue about our sport, and we'll see that when the "top" clubs who do know what they are doing target Vievers as their next head coach.

Graham Lowe has no clue about our sport? Where have you been for the last thirty years?

I was being......ahh forget it!

Woosh

I don't fear it. For all the soap opera involved, Chelsea, and the rest of the premier league have benefited enormously from Abramovich and the people that followed him. Granted..."benefit" here is used to describe profile and revenue - if you don't like the way the premier league is awash with money then sure, we risk changes to the nature of the sport by allowing big money in. And not liking the idea is an entirely reasonable position BTW, no argument at all from me if that's what you believe - I just don't think you can have it both ways - that is, taking a lot of money from a passionate guy but expecting him to stick to the 'old' rules of the game.

Premier League Champions 2004-05, 2005-06, 2009-10
FA Cup Winners 2007, 2009, 2010, 2012
League Cup Winners 2005
Champions League winners 2012
Abramovich took over Chelsea in 2003 and has sacked 8 managers to date , but won 9 trophies.

in the same period we've worked our way through 5 coaches and been rubbish


I hope we end up a RL equivalent of Abramovich

...and...if you had to pick a "Man City of RL" ( proud tradition, almost always pretty rubbish ) I can't think of many clubs closer than Salford!

Ian Lenagan has managed to win a SL trophy and increase the attendance at Wigan by 22% since he took over...he'll be in no rush to spend any more cash until he as ensured Wigan are sustainably self sufficient.

David Hughes???? This guy treats London Broncos as a hobby.....he invests 1.5 million a year and has cut back the back office staff to a junior sales rep, 2 telesales guys on 90 day contracts and a CEO with not a ing clue what he's doing.......the concept of him wanting to spend more money is laughable......

McManus was bemoaning the cost of running his club and that SL was too big.......the only way he and the other guys you've mentioned would vote for a bigger cap is by reducing SL by 2 teams...if not 4.

Sky money is in place for the next few years....1.3 mill a pop....shedding 2 years would add 200k to the cap.......that's the only way I see it being "changed" at the moment.

So what if we lose some "RL" stars to the NRL or the other code....the game is bigger than any individual or team....

Well done on spectacularly missing my point.

Salford's "place" is wherever they end up. What I personally would hate to see is an owner who thinks they can just wave a chequebook and the best players will come running. All that is going to lead to is him getting disillusioned when he doesn't have instant success, and potentially pulling out his cash and leaving Salford up the creek without a paddle.

You've even used my phrase in your rant - "building". Building takes time. Salford need time. Does Koukash have the patience and geniune interest in the game to give them it? Time will tell.

So what's the Abramovich reference? Is he bored? His club won the biggest club football competition in the world last year. If that's what a bored owner gets you, sign me up.

Couple of things here.....Firstly, Chelsea are not limited to or by a Salary Cap, therefore, the BILLIONAIRE owner can buy who his manager wants, when he wants.

Then there's the Champions League success......the one trophy the Russian craved the most.....Chelsea FC cost him an estimated £140,000,000 and he immediately gave his first manager another £100,000,000 to spend on players. In 2009, Abramovich wrote off £700,000,000 of loans to the club......essentially making them debt free. I believe that last year, Chelsea posted a profit of about £1,500,000.

So, for basically an investment of £1,000,000,000 over 10 years he eventually got what he wanted...a Champions League Winning side that is now able to stand on it's own 2 feet now he's stopped spending money on players.

If you think for one second anyone can compare the investment of Dr CashCow to that of Chelseas seriously cashed up owner, then think again.

The reference had little to do with the cash spent and everything to do with him getting bored. I am fully aware of the salary cap restrictions, but that has nothing to do with the initial comparison of an owner getting bored.

I think my initial fear with Koukash was that he was, if we are comparing with football owners, a Michael Knighton rather than an Abramovich. Knighton promised the world and was a fraud. If you want a comparison, use that rather than the massively successful Russian as a way of putting Salford down you daft gets.

WTF?
When did I put Salford down? I want RLtodowell and this guy is like a breath of fresh air, but he'll need to calm down a bit if he wants things to go his way.....as others have said, his appointment of coach will be a decent barometer as to where he believes they can go in the short term...personally, I think he'll optfor acouple of big name signings and a coach like Noble.......Looking at a top 8 finish in 2014 and higher again in 2015. In the meantime, he should be looking at investing in a decent conveyerbelt as well as picking up those kids not deemed "good enough" for saints/Wigan yoof etc....BIG NAME SIGNINGS DON'T WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS ON THEIR OWN!

One of us needs to argue this as a grown-up, so it may as well be me.

The Abramovich reference was to the way he has dealt with coaches/managers/players who were unable to give him exactly what he wanted, straight from the outset.

He's constantly chopped and changed his managers, he's bought players in that the managers didn't necessarily want simply because he wanted them and it suited him (I'm thinking Shevchenko and Torres here) and when these things haven't brought immediate success he's simply sacked the lot and started again.

Is Koukash prepared to put up with Salford having a gradual, organic growth supported by investment in youth, infrastructure etc, or is he just here to play fantasy RL and buy as many big name players as he can in an attempt to go from bottom to top in one step?

Like I said originally, his next appointment as coach needs to be someone who is prepared to sit him down and point out that he cannot simply go out and buy success without building the foundations first.

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Quote ="Hillbilly_Red"fyi www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... sh-1719879 cheers'" Does this mean that you agree with Dr K, that Veivers should have gone, despite not yet having anything like a SL squad to run with ?

Quote ="Hillbilly_Red"fyi www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... sh-1719879 cheers'" Does this mean that you agree with Dr K, that Veivers should have gone, despite not yet having anything like a SL squad to run with ?

The two aren't mutually exclusive. If you've got money to spend on both, what better way to get massive interest in your newly inspired youth and academy set up than bringing in big name players and winning games?

Why must it be one or the other?

Amen to that.

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