For once I actually agree, but we still must search for the next Hull KR or Catalans.

I have a feeling Widnes will be like another Hull KR and Toulouse have the potential to be another Catalans. We will never be massive now as sport in this country though.

yes yes yes, its all spin,

they really are all lying to you and it is all a big con,

nobody can be trusted, they all have nefarious purposes

WTF

we cleared up what was meant by 'up to scratch' a page ago. You even responded to it



why are you confused again?

Surely this is just simply poor execution though?


this is something i have been in favour of for a while. ANY club, whether heartland or expansion should be personally guaranteeing competing, at a minimum Salary Spend for the period of their license.

I agree, but we have to understand, Crusaders are a private company, they have legal rights to keep things private and the RFL have a legal obligation not to release information they dont want to. It would be nice to have the whole RL community fully in possession of the facts, its just simply not possible

Have you seen the Samuels interview with references to players contracts ?

So how many NL/NRC games at Bridgend have you witnessed ?

How many Players spoken to ?

How many people in bridgend asking what you were doing down there in the middle of summer ?


Need I go on ?

=#4000FFNo , it was because he was skint , he'd already put over a million in in 3 years in the NL's

=#FF0000Like a cash deposit

But you dont know the circumstances, you dont know the billion and one things done to get Crusaders here and since then, we dont know the exact circumstances.

In the Hypothetical situation where exactly the same circumstances were around, then yes, it would be silly to go ahead.

However nobody has put forward a club in exact same circumstances.

The problem is you and others want to brand different clubs, in different areas, in different circumstances 'the same' because they havent met some vague and undefined criteria that you feel comfortable with. You want to brand any club that has served an acceptable 'penance' in the lower league as the next Crusaders when the circumstances are likely very very very different.

We saw it all the time. 'why dont the rfl ever learn?' they moan, 'why are they repeating the mistakes of the past' they pretend that Crusaders, PSG, Sheffield and Gateshead all came into SL in the same circumstances, yet they insist Catalans were completely different. For, what is for most people an obvious example of self interest (though for some reason they feel this insulting to note, though not insulting to those who they note it about), they are pretending the defining factor in all those cases (bar Catalans obviously) is that they havent spent 10-15 years in the lower leagues, when it is idiotic to pretend that its not a very very complex situation, with many many defining factors.

Crusaders problems is no more proof that clubs need to serve their time in the lower leagues than their success would have been proof anyone can make a success of super league

which was pretty much a waste of a million in the end really. That money would have been much better spent in SL

no, nothing like a cash deposit. Only an idiot wouldnt see a cash deposit as a massive waste of money. Only an idiot or someone attempting to put unachievable criteria in place stopping expansion clubs ever joining, whilst trying to still pretend to be reasonable about it.

But all the failed ones had one thing in common , not enough money

ive never heard of anything anywhere failing because of too much money. Though i think Monty Brewster got close

Sorry, i forgot you had spoken to over 2000 people regarding this!

BTW are you still pretending this is true?

And clubs that aren't in the heartlands aren't great either are they?

I said ' Not enough '

There is a difference , typical of you to missquote

I said the ' home ' fans , not the away fans

yes, i got that.

i used a contrast to highlight the fact that most things fail because of a lack of money, whilst also alluding to the fact it is very rare something should fail because of too much money due to it being possible to solve most problems if you throw enough money at it. I even used a cheeky Richard Pryor reference to show the tone.

erm, i think you said most of home fans, the players, the administrators and some of the people who just lived in bridgend.

Now for a club with a 3k average, i think 2k is being generous to you. But its not important. How many did you speak to? 1700? 1500? 1000? 700? 500? 100? 50?

Well thats good , we have established something

Maybe that should be the RFL's policy from now on then

Maybe so,

And whilst the RFL dont have enough money we can carry on throwing other peoples money at it

So you are suggesting that the Celtic Crusaders averaged 3,000 fans in NL1 and NL 2 , and that all those fans attending were actually from South wales

And yet you didn't attend a single match at Bridgend during that time did you ?

You really are a cretin

And carry on failing

oh, you werent specific about it being only in NL1 and 2,


So what was it 700 people?

i would say it seems strange for you to argue against your own point, but as its you....

It would seem strange if I had done it , but as I havent

Unlike your good self







Like a cash deposit

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now, Just for clarity, do you think if we throw enough money at a problem we can solve it or not?



no, a cash deposit is expensive and counter productive. It would preclude very good clubs, and discourage anyone from ever joining us. It is a silly idea.

Especially when there is an obvious and much better possibility that would be easier to implement

so no, not like a cash deposit. Like a guarantee like I said.

and before you say it, No, not a lie or con or whatever other loaded term you want to throw in there alluding to us not being able to trust anyone who wants to join our game. But a guarantee, a legally enforceable guarantee

Obviously it was in NL 1 and 2 , why would I go down to Bridgend to watch anybody else except my team

How many times have you visited the Crusaders at Bridgend ?