I dont want to pee on your chips but, the young Sam Tomkins had skills that I havent seen from Welsby.
Btw, I'm not knocking the lad, he's a very, very good player.

It will be interesting to see where Saints and Welsby believe his best long term position is.

In attack welsby doesnt have sam's step for sure, but defensively they are both similar players.

Do you see him long term as a FB or perhaps closer to the middle, either in the halves or maybe loose forward (eventually) ?

I think he will stay where he is in a Billy Slater style floating FB pos.

He was pretty much invisible today. Apart from his attempt at Oscar winning penalty winning performances.

Why do so many people put a 'P' in the middle of Sam Tomkins name???

It really is a strange phenomenon.

I always spell his name Rat Boy its easier and most know who it is.

Welsby looks a better prospect for the full back position in the England Squad can also play any position in the back line.

Which channel were you watching ?

He had an excellent game. Mind you, so did the other 16 Saints players.
Their pack was immense but, every player was pretty much 9 or 10/10.

Mind you, they dont seem to worry too much about passing backwards

Tomkins is still one of the best in the business.

Who are your wingers for the World Cup?

Makinson is the top dog, then you have the experienced wingers who have been there before and are still in decent nik, Hall and McGilvary. The untried in Davies and Johnstone and then there's the big lad at Newcastle Knights, Young.

If Tomkins is gonna be full back, as captain that seems certain. Then Welsby could also be a wing option.

Wane has chosen Marshall in his recent squad, I'm not sure I'd put him in front of the players I've already mentioned.

I wasn’t watching a channel- I was watching Connor die on the field when it mattered. again.
Do keep up. This thread is about Connor is it not????

Connor has many skills but is let down big time with his lack of pace and his inability to control his mouth. He isn't in my opinion a full back but hasn't really shown any coach where his best position is..

For me he hasn’t been developed properly. He had the raw talent but at the point in his career where he should have been really concentrating on cementing a position and making it his own, he was flirting between many positions and allowed to just continue to “wing it”. He has never matured as a player so the raw skill exists but without the refinement it should have by now.

You're still upset he turned his back on you, aren't you. He doesn't choose where he plays, he plays where the coach tells him too and this player has the ability to win matches on his own and has proved it. Of course he'll make mistakes as does every player in every club but we forgive him for that because his positives are far greater than his negatives.

Obviously this would come down to who is fit at the end of the season.

My FB for England would be Tomkins. He’s still imo the best we’ve got.

After that there’s a number in contention.

Jake Connor is good and has proven against NZ he can step up to the international game. Imo it will come down to whether he fits in with the culture that Wane is trying to create with England.

100% Welsby should be in the squad, whether he makes the team im not sure, we’ll see how he goes for the rest of the season. Great young player and versatile which is invaluable.

Ratchford and Widdop are both good options, the latter has done well in the past but both are in poor form in a struggling Warrington side. Plenty of time for that to change though.

I’m a big fan of Niall Evalds, very underrated imo.

Maybe, playing in a relatively poor FC side has hampered his development ?
He has some sublime skills, as good as we have in SL but, so often his frustrations get the better of him.

No question that he has the ability but, his temperament is the issue.

A really good coach should be able to maximise his abilities.

Is he though? When was the last time he had a half decent game? He was awful through the second half of last season and is playing like he's about 40 now. He must be playing with an injury and seems to miss more than he plays at the moment.

Sadly folks turns out I was right

Dave and the other fc fans have realised Connor isn't even Hull FCs best full back now

I mean I've been trying to tell them for months

Welsby will be England’s full back. He’s head and shoulders above every other full back in SL it’s not even close

Of all the hundreds of players in the league that needs their rugby ability questioning, Jake Connor would be towards the back of the queue. At least start with someone who's not producing the odd sign of quality every now then. There's so much worse than Jake Connor to choose from.

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I mean I've been trying to tell them for months



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Apart when he looked great at international level playing both centre and stand off against NZ?

Then there is Sarginson in the squad, who is pretty much a utility player and no where near the class of Connor in any position.

When fully fit, yes. Just my opinion of course, as he’s a former Wigan player I have no doubt your opinion will differ.

not sure whats happening with the "quote" system.

sarginson shouldnt be any where near the squad either.