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| Quote ="SaleSlim"
Anyway.... IF Moor Lane passes SL criteria I think it might be a blessing in disguise. The club will be able to rebuild with reduced overheads. We've actually got some great people in charge at the club in Salfordians Paul King & Ian Blease and the new Commercial Director has started to open a few more doors. The Foundation is starting to develop potential players of the future and we've got partnerships in place with Wales RL & Coleg y Cymoedd and have recently partnered with the Ipswich Jets over in Aus. We can't be losing our best local talent (6 from Eccles recently signed for the mighty Wire) and the club are trying to stop that player drain. There is also a lot of work going on in the local schools to attract young fans and I believe the Junior Devils is being relaunched (the scheme that suckered mugs like me into watching the club 32 years ago
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Thank you for that. All the best to the club and all it's fans for the future........
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| Quote ="SaleSlim"Come on then.... who should be replacing Salford fella and please provide some sound reasoning?
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York City Knights. They already have a similar average attendance as Salford and thats in the championship and have more amateur clubs in the city than salford do
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| Quote ="RagingBull"Regardless of all the moaning and complaining on here i think we all agree Salford as a club arent fit for Superleague.
Yes 2 finals a few years ago from an onfield perspective but as an organisation as whole they are really really poor.
Little comerial income with very little brand power in the local area, a pathetic fan base (in terms of numbers not the people them selves) potentially a new 5k stadium (hows that for potential growth and ambition!). If SL wants to grow then Salford are a club that needs to be left behind. The Championship is the place for them where they can compete with clubs of a similar level.'"
Oh dear
Why pick on Salford??
If you want results on the field to determine the make up of the leagues then Salford are on a level with all other clubs who can field a professional side in Superleague, and results should determine the make up.
If you want to go with criteria off the field then fair enough but give Salford a chance to meet it, whatever it may be??
[i"Salford are a club that needs to be left behind"[/i may well be applicable to other clubs.........
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Oh dear
Why pick on Salford??
If you want results on the field to determine the make up of the leagues then Salford are on a level with all other clubs who can field a professional side in Superleague, and results should determine the make up.
If you want to go with criteria off the field then fair enough but give Salford a chance to meet it, whatever it may be??
[i"Salford are a club that needs to be left behind"[/i may well be applicable to other clubs.........'"
Its not about Salford and similar clubs being left behind/ lost, rather they shouldn't hold SL back.
In reality, moving to that ground with aspirations of 4k max crowds is not a SL club. Salfords support and difficulties filling a pretty small ground as it is, has shown they are not a sustainable SL club and are only really there to make up numbers.
The poster is only saying what is logically correct.....and probably what will happen next year anyway where wakey or salford are almost guaranteed to drop as Toulouse will stay up IMO. That will ultimately make SL stronger and Salford stronger as they are playing on a more level playing field, competing with clubs at a similar level, rather than crippling themselves as they are stretched beyond their means.
In terms of who to replace them, i think we can all agree that SL would be a lot stronger if you had Newcastle, York and Bradford in place of Salford, Wakefield and Huddersfield. York and Bradford already outstripping said SL clubs in terms of attendances at a lower level, and Newcastle with much greater potential.
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| Salford negotiated a deal prior to heir tenancy and are blatantly unable to afford it based on current attendances. As in any rental in the real world if payment isn't received the tenant is removed. Smaller premises will cope with the attendances currently seen but if franchises are ever bought back then Salford, as a club, would not be offered a Super League spot.
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| London moving to plough lane smacks of franchising being reconsidered.....because they rarely make bad decisions regarding moving grounds
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| Quote ="afootingmiracle21-12"...i think we can all agree that SL would be a lot stronger if you had Newcastle, York and Bradford in place of Salford, Wakefield and Huddersfield. '"
No, we can't all agree this.
The idea that Bradford, a club bust 4 times in a decade, have any claim on SL is unacceptable in the extreme.
The club that rattled buckets, sold medals and sold players shirts to "save the Bulls", only for the directors to pay their own loans back - no, no way.
The club helped out at every turn by the RFL, a move that cost every other club in the game money, money they will never get back - no, no way.
And forget the "it's a different club" and "it's not the fans fault" - Bulls should own their history.
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| I agree. As much as Salford have no place in SL neither do Bradford and their buckets
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"I agree. As much as Salford have no place in SL neither do Bradford and their buckets'"
2 finals in the previous 3 seasons says otherwise. You are so controversial aren't you, shall I send you a 'virtual medal', if so just let me know.
Budgie
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| Quote ="RagingBull" i think we all agree Salford as a club aren't fit for Superleague.'"
Is that the "BUCKETSHAKING WE"?
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| Quote ="afootingmiracle21-12"
In terms of who to replace them, i think we can all agree that SL would be a lot stronger if you had Newcastle, York and Bradford in place of Salford, Wakefield and Huddersfield. York and Bradford already outstripping said SL clubs in terms of attendances at a lower level, and Newcastle with much greater potential.'"
Really?
As the 2021 season attendances weren't properly recorded I have looked at the 2019 average attendances for said clubs
York 2,129
Bradford 4,339
Salford 3,677
Wakefield 5,346
Huddersfield 5,132
While I am not saying the SL clubs average attendances are anything to shout about only Bradford have a higher average
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"2 finals in the previous 3 seasons says otherwise. You are so controversial aren't you, shall I send you a 'virtual medal', if so just let me know.
Budgie
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And still can't generate enough business activity to pay their rent, or get more than 3000 locals to follow them!
Salford has no future as a top division club.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Really?
As the 2021 season attendances weren't properly recorded I have looked at the 2019 average attendances for said clubs
York 2,129
Bradford 4,339
Salford 3,677
Wakefield 5,346
Huddersfield 5,132
While I am not saying the SL clubs average attendances are anything to shout about only Bradford have a higher average
than 1 of the clubs you quote.'"
There seems to be a fixation in RL with attendances. In reality personal attendances have been falling across the sport as a whole. For some clubs im sure they have found alternative ways to plug the financial gap in terms of sponsorship with the lure of sky exposure, lower running costs and corporate payments.
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| Quote ="jools"There seems to be a fixation in RL with attendances. In reality personal attendances have been falling across the sport as a whole. For some clubs im sure they have found alternative ways to plug the financial gap in terms of sponsorship with the lure of sky exposure, lower running costs and corporate payments.'"
1,000 fans per home game @£25.00 a ticket and buying 2 beers and a pie for say another £8.00 is £360,000 a year.
Wigan lost 6,000 fans over th last few years....that's the same number as the SKY money.
Which sponsor has plugged that gap?
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| It costs me less than £25 to get into Warrington, and I spend £0 once inside the ground. I hope that isn't the reason why we never win the Grand Final.
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| Quote ="Dropkick Murphy"It costs me less than £25 to get into Warrington, and I spend £0 once inside the ground. I hope that isn't the reason why we never win the Grand Final.'"
I've always wondered why, Like our beloved NZ Warriors, it's always "your year' an now we know
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| Quote ="REVENUE"Salford negotiated a deal prior to heir tenancy and are blatantly unable to afford it based on current attendances. As in any rental in the real world if payment isn't received the tenant is removed. Smaller premises will cope with the attendances currently seen but if franchises are ever bought back then Salford, as a club, would not be offered a Super League spot.'"
In which case, would Wakey, Cas & Hudds be offered a spot ?
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| Quote ="dboy"Ah, the "Salford Board of Directors" emoji...'"
No idea what that's supposed to mean but must be an amazing comeback if your mate Chissitt has liked it.
Looking forward to seeing little old Salford annoy the RLFans trolls for many more years to come.
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| Quote ="orangeman"1,000 fans per home game @£25.00 a ticket and buying 2 beers and a pie for say another £8.00 is £360,000 a year.
Wigan lost 6,000 fans over th last few years....that's the same number as the SKY money.
Which sponsor has plugged that gap?'"
in reality away fans dont number anything like that many and most home fans pay nothing like £25 a game, not to mention concessions. Many clubs ( eg wigan in your example) make zero from sales at the stadium. Your maths is flawed.
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"In which case, would Wakey, Cas & Hudds be offered a spot ?'"
wakey and cas still havent fulfilled the franchise requirements from last time around. I'm not sure how Salfords rental works but Hudds and Wigan pay a rental based on the numbers attending. the smaller the attendance the smaller the rent. so if attendances drop so does the outlay.
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| Quote ="jools" wakey and cas still havent fulfilled the franchise requirements from last time around. '"
I think that requirement died with licensing and is clearly no longer a pre-requisite of Superleague membership.
I've been in Belle Vue when it sold out for the Cas play off game, and it was a fantastic experience. Equally I've been at Huddersfield in their modern stadium before some very low SL crowds that wasn't that great.
Grounds need to be safe and that includes not over filling them, and that's about it for me unless I wan't to goad any Wakey or Cas fans on here which I don't. I'm not suggesting you do either BTW, but it happens all too often......
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