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| Quality signing for Catalans
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| Que the faux outrage from the sjw facists
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| It's interesting that, if any supporter expresses anything close to his views inside a RL ground they would be ejected and banned and yet Catalan (again) just aren't bothered.
As for players who have done worse, they too shouldn't be in our sport.
IIRC Cas were fined and some of their fans banned for homophobic abuse but, even they weren't suggesting people should "burn in hell".
Interesting double standards
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| Just read that if Izzy expresses any of his anti gay views publicly his contract will be terminated immediately.
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| Think what the RFL/SL means is he hasn't been found guilty in a court of law yet.
Just seen Bernard Guasch comments which are quite fair in which he says:
"We do not believe that those views should be publicly expressed, especially by a high-profile sports person. "We have a signed agreement with the RFL (Rugby Football League). Any transgression will trigger an immediate termination of Israel's contract and a substantial fine for the club."
Which is fair in my eyes. As long as he keeps his mouth shut in regard to his previous comments.
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| The bloke said the bush fires in Australia are god's punishment for their same sex marriage and abortion laws. This was after he'd already been sacked off by the ARU.
He's a religious crank - Imagine if he was a muslim saying all this the gammons wouldn't be talking about freedom of speech then. I'll be amazed if he makes it to the end of his contract without coming out with some other rubbish that brings the game intro disrepute.
As for Elstone, what is the point of him?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"It's interesting that, if any supporter expresses anything close to his views inside a RL ground they would be ejected and banned and yet Catalan (again) just aren't bothered.
As for players who have done worse, they too shouldn't be in our sport.
IIRC Cas were fined and some of their fans banned for homophobic abuse but, even they weren't suggesting people should "burn in hell".
Interesting double standards'"
That is no different to a club ejecting violent fans but would happily sign a player with violent criminal history.
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| Quote ="barham red"Is it really snowflake when someone is saying he believes people should burn in hell because they are attracted to the 'wrong' sex. If he was saying he believed in the Islamic state and all westerners should burn would he be ok as long as he had a good hand off and did the 100m in 10.5 seconds'"
For me it is. Even before you get into the mind field of believing in hell, I honestly couldn't care less.
Worth also pointing out that he also said hell awaits drunks, adulterers, liars, atheists and a few others too. Now I'm actually a few of them myself and still I couldn't care less. Doesn't mean I won't be entertained by his rugby talent tho.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"My god there's some Snowflakes on here.
Who cares what he says & who really looks up to or to any rugby player as a moral compass?
The guys a class rugby player and even if one kid picks up a ball and tries to copy what he does on the pitch, then it's been worthwhile.'"
Would it be ok to have sexist or racist views as well ??
And what is some kid decides that he's such a star that they also believe that his anti gay views are also a great path to follow.
This isn't great for RL in the UK, a sport who has a have regularly taken Aussie "bad boys" under their wing.
I wonder whether any of Catalan sponsors feel the same, especially Sud de France tourist board. How very welcoming.
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| Same old same old, everybody is up in arms because we need to be ‘inclusive’, but only to those who hold the same views as them.
I don’t agree with his comments, I have my own personal views on him as an individual (and anyone else who can follow religion to the extremes), but you can’t exclude someone due to their religious beliefs - that’s not ‘inclusive’.
Putting it on social media is wrong, and there needs to be sanctions outlined for if he does that (which it appears there are), but what he’s done isn’t a hate crime, he wasn’t punished legally, and his victory over the ARU shows that if push comes to shove, excluding him from the sport would be illegal. Now most clubs you’d like to think would look at him and think ‘yeah, he’s potentially a great player (though probably not now at his age and having been in Union so long), but actually, our clubs culture and belief systems are so different to his, that his talents aren’t worth compromising our standards for’... Catalan clearly don’t have that self-worth, which can also be seen in their approach to professionalism elsewhere (see Kenny Edwards recent comments)
The best response is to do exactly what Wigan have done - show that whilst he may hold ridiculous and bigoted views, the rest of us are well and truly on the opposite side of the argument to him.
Live and let live folks - just shake your head at him, and the Catalan club.
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| Quote ="tomrhodes28"Think what the RFL/SL means is he hasn't been found guilty in a court of law yet.
Just seen Bernard Guasch comments which are quite fair in which he says:
"We do not believe that those views should be publicly expressed, especially by a high-profile sports person. "We have a signed agreement with the RFL (Rugby Football League). Any transgression will trigger an immediate termination of Israel's contract and a substantial fine for the club."
Which is fair in my eyes. As long as he keeps his mouth shut in regard to his previous comments.'"
That's like saying if a player was an outspoken white supremacist, who still stands by his views, would be ok as long as he keeps his mouth shut.
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| I'm pretty certain the CAS in Switzerland would rule that the RFL could not stop catalan employing him.
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"That is no different to a club ejecting violent fans but would happily sign a player with violent criminal history.'"
dress it up however you want, the majority of fans and clubs do not want him in SL.
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"That is no different to a club ejecting violent fans but would happily sign a player with violent criminal history.'"
For me, they shouldn't sign those people either.
What message are we putting out there ?
As long as you can pass or kick a ball, come on down.
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| Quote ="[Gareth"They really will sign anyone wont they'"
Well they aren't developing French players as they dropped the academy, they can't find any talent in the French domestic game, and few English are on the market as English clubs need bigger rosters for their reserve team commitments.
So they have pretty much descended to TWP's policy of a shock signing of a past it player who will fill column inches, hiding these two clubs real failures to develop players. People should note these are supposed to be the "flagship" clubs for French and American expansion.
I can't see the expansion but Lockwood in his league Weekly rag this week still sees "expansion"........
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"For me it is. Even before you get into the mind field of believing in hell, I honestly couldn't care less.
Worth also pointing out that he also said hell awaits drunks, adulterers, liars, atheists and a few others too. Now I'm actually a few of them myself and still I couldn't care less. Doesn't mean I won't be entertained by his rugby talent tho.'"
The difference is the history that LGBT people have had to endure vs "adulterers, liars, atheists". you've never felt unsafe because you lied or got drunk, or felt like you couldn't be out in public drunk.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Well they aren't developing French players as they dropped the academy, they can't find any talent in the French domestic game, and few English are on the market as English clubs need bigger rosters for their reserve team commitments.
So they have pretty much descended to TWP's policy of a shock signing of a past it player who will fill column inches, hiding these two clubs real failures to develop players. People should note these are supposed to be the "flagship" clubs for French and American expansion.
I can't see the expansion but Lockwood in his league Weekly rag this week still sees
"expansion"........'"
Iain Watson has been up in arms this last few weeks as Catalan have been trying to tap-up a couple of Salford's forwards a few weeks before the start of the season. They are morally bankrupt as an organisation, so signing Folau will be no skin off their noses.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Iain Watson has been up in arms this last few weeks as Catalan have been trying to tap-up a couple of Salford's forwards a few weeks before the start of the season. They are morally bankrupt as an organisation, so signing Folau will be no skin off their noses.'"
And they will reap what they sow on that front. They are morally bankrupt, and that’s why their culture as an organisation and team is dreadful, and that’s why, regardless of how much they spend and who they sign, they’re going nowhere fast in terms of success.
Leave them to it.....
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| Quote ="IR80"dress it up however you want, the majority of fans and clubs do not want him in SL.'"
As I said the Hypocrisy runs deep.
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"As I said the Hypocrisy runs deep.'"
explain how it's hypocritical.
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"As I said the Hypocrisy runs deep.'"
It's strange how Union dont want him, the NRL wont touch with a barge pole and yet, Catalan are happy to take him on.
If he'd posted the same things about a different group say, blacks or Jews etc, there would have been an international outcry and rightly so.
The analogy against other "criminals" in our game is a little different.
In the modern world, you just cannot say the kind of stuff that he tweeted, especially if you are a public figure.
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| Quote ="IR80"explain how it's hypocritical.'"
Just look at the characters who come into the sport. We've had wife beaters ffs. Their was no pitchforks out demanding they not be allowed to play.
If people don't want Izzy in the game so be it but don't upset about that yet criminal convictions are ok.
Robert Lui was released from the Tigers for beating up his wife and then made SL his home? You cool with that?
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| Great signing for Catalan. Players have done lot worse stuff then him and have been welcome to play.
Izzy should be allowed to play in Super League.
You can't allow players who have beat up there wives or girlfriends to play while refusing Izzy.
The RFL knew they could not stop this.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"It's strange how Union dont want him, the NRL wont touch with a barge pole and yet, Catalan are happy to take him on.
If he'd posted the same things about a different group say, blacks or Jews etc, there would have been an international outcry and rightly so.
The analogy against other "criminals" in our game is a little different.
In the modern world, you just cannot say the kind of stuff that he tweeted, especially if you are a public figure.'"
NRL clubs did want him just the NRL wouldn't register him.
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