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| The RFL own a long lease on the ground. Bradford Council own the ground and have since 1985.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"But the banks statement said that the sale of the lease contributed to the decision to withdraw the overdraft facility. So they must have seen it as an asset.'"
When pressed they admitted that was not actually the case. They just used it as a convenient excuse to save face.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Which brings us to the point of the Bulls fulfilling their fixtures in liquidation (aka there being a newco to give the RFL a return on their Odsal lease). This hasn't been thought through. A newco, if a sugardaddy isn't found before liquidation, stripped of assets (players), with no income (season tickets) for the rest of the season and the usual tax and incidental overheads will be losing money in 2011 at almost as fast a rate as the old Bradford Bulls. They literally will not be able to fulfill their fixtures no matter what the RFL wishfully say.'"
There's also the small matter of any such arrangement requiring the agreement of the majority of the other 13 SL clubs. By no means a foregone conclusion.
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| Quote ="Michael_Ward"Everything I've read suggests that the Stadium was sold.'"
Maybe try using both eyes?
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| Quote ="Kosh"Maybe try using both eyes?'"
And maybe you could tone down your attitude.
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| Quote ="Michael_Ward"And maybe you could tone down your attitude.'"
I'm not the one who failed to do even rudimentary research before publicly suggesting that the sport's governing body and a major club might have conspired to defraud creditors including the HMRC. Which of us do you think requires the most attitude adjustment?
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| Pack it in the pair of you or i'll go fetch a moderator.
Oh wait ............. erm .............
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| Quote ="bren2k"When exactly will you be doing that -kicking event you promised you would do if ever Mr Glover put temporary stands at BV?'"
I am still safe. Only one of the two promised stands has been seen so far, so I stick with what I said.
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| actually when I say "stand" I do of course mean a roof.
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| 2 have been put up though, one in the corner near the block of flats and the one behind the sticks?
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| Quote ="TrevLovesJanice"I am still safe. Only one of the two promised stands has been seen so far, so I stick with what I said.'"
Open your eyes then. There are two there.
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| Quote ="TrevLovesJanice"I am still safe. Only one of the two promised stands has been seen so far, so I stick with what I said.'"
Incorrect - both temporary stands have been delivered, exactly as promised.
So - any dates in mind?
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| Quote ="duke street 10"R.L have claimed the Bulls can continue playing fixtures till the end of the season.
As sorry as i feel to those who made donations i feel the R.F.L will bend over backwards to help them due to their involvement in the Stadium, would they help others?.'"
Same situation as Crusaders last year where there was a big chance the last few games would not go ahead so yes I'd say they would help others (at least SL clubs, further down I doubt it).
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| Quote ="Kosh"When pressed they admitted that was not actually the case. They just used it as a convenient excuse to save face.'"
Have you got a link to this information as I seem to have overlooked that statement from the bank?
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'm not the one who failed to do even rudimentary research before publicly suggesting that the sport's governing body and a major club might have conspired to defraud creditors including the HMRC. Which of us do you think requires the most attitude adjustment?'"
The point still stands. The RFL bought a secure lease from Bradford Bulls. That secure lease is valuable - a VAT liability of £250,000, as reported, would amount to a sale price of £1m+. Without the permission of the holder of the secure lease, no change of use can be made for the land owned i.e. housing developments, supermarkets, etc.
Therefore, regardless of it being a secure lease or a freehold that was sold, a significant asset changed hands at a time when it could be presumed that both Bradford Bulls and the governing body realised that liquidation for the Bulls was a real possibility.
As my original post states, my point may be moot as there may be factors I am unaware of that make the deal legitimate and without question. I was unaware that it was a lease purchased and not the freehold, but that doesn't negate my point.
Is anyone aware of any other relevant points to support or counter my point?
P.S. On the topic of research, I had googled "[url=https://www.google.com/search?q=bradford+sell+odsal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBicon_surprised.giffficial&client=firefox-abradford sell odsal[/url" and none of the top 4 or 5 results mentioned that it was the lease sold and not the freehold. It's not my fault if neither Bradford nor the RFL publicised this fact.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Incorrect - both temporary stands have been delivered, exactly as promised.
So - any dates in mind?'"
I wouldn't hold your breath. You know what these keyboard warriors are like.
Pah!
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| Quote ="Wildthing"I wouldn't hold your breath. You know what these keyboard warriors are like.
Pah!
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At teh opening of newmarket stadium. We will all be dead by then !
Anyway I was talking about bulls wasn't I ? You have just hijacked this thread !!
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| Quote ="TrevLovesJanice"At teh opening of newmarket stadium. We will all be dead by then !
Anyway I was talking about bulls wasn't I ? You have just hijacked this thread !!'"
Least it will mean an end to your constant ramblings.
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| Quote ="TrevLovesJanice"At teh opening of newmarket stadium. We will all be dead by then !
Anyway I was talking about bulls wasn't I ? You have just hijacked this thread !!'"
Your original assertion was that WTW would never deliver the promised temporary stands and so confident were you that Mr Glover was dissembling, that if they did, you'd stand under the sticks while we all lined up to kick you up the jacksie.
The stands have been delivered and yet your jacksie remains unkicked, at least by any WTW fans.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Your original assertion was that WTW would never deliver the promised temporary stands and so confident were you that Mr Glover was dissembling, that if they did, you'd stand under the sticks while we all lined up to kick you up the jacksie.
The stands have been delivered and yet your jacksie remains unkicked, at least by any WTW fans.'"
You only have to look at their 'sig' to see what we are dealing with here.
It may be kinder to ignore and move on?
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| Why are people arguing about who's fault the Bradford situation is? Surely Sam Tomkins is to blame?
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| It's Agar's fault.
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| Well Ryan Bailey hasn't been blamed for anything lately so I say its his fault.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"Well Ryan Bailey hasn't been blamed for anything lately so I say its his fault.'"
It's quite obviously a conspiracy between Ryan Bailey, Gareth Hock, Gary Hetherington, Sam Tomkins, Michael Maguire, Rangi Chase, Steve McNamara, Nigel Wood, Richard Lewis, Garry Schofield, the BBC, Eddie & Stevo and Stuart Cummings.
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| Quote ="Him"It's quite obviously a conspiracy between Ryan Bailey, Gareth Hock, Gary Hetherington, Sam Tomkins, Michael Maguire, Rangi Chase, Steve McNamara, Nigel Wood, Richard Lewis, Garry Schofield, the BBC, Eddie & Stevo and Stuart Cummings.'"
Don't forget Neil Hudgell and his nasty letter to the RFL.
Obviously Neil has 'photos' of a certain Mr Wood and the RFL and Bradford have got together to make him (Neil) look bang on!!
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