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He's also currently 4th in our [url=http://wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/index.php?page_id=1610Player of the season[/url vote

Not bad for someone who only Wiganers want in the lineup...

1. Tomkins
2. Hall
3. Bridge
4. Yeaman
5. Briscoe
6. Myler
7. Brough
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Morley
11. Harrison
12. Westwood
13. O'loughlin

14. Mossop
15. Peacock
16. Tomkins
17. Robinson

1. S.Tomkins
2. McGilvary
3. Bridge
4. J Tomkins
5. Briscoe
6. McGuire
7. Brough
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Peacock
11. Westwood
12. Harrison
13. O'Loughlin

14. Crabtree
15. Sinfield
16. Griffin
17. Farrell

Tomkins is better than Radlinski and there's nothing to suggest that Brough can't be a better international half than Long.

Conversely his career up to this point has done nothing to suggest he will be a better international half than Long.

Danny Brough is 28, he is at his peak and in 2 or three years max, will start to decline. He has spent his entire career up until this point as a big fish in a small pond. Im not sure why people have decided that two decent seasons erases the memory of a whole career before that.

S Tomkins
Hall
Shenton
Yeaman
Briscoe
Brown
Brough
Morley
Roby
Graham
Wilkin
J Tomkins
O Loughlin

Robinson
Peacock
Mcarthy-Scarsbrook
Westwood

Sean Long, for the vast majority of his international career, was poor; his main problem was his extremely erratic kicking game.

Brough's kicking game is top drawer. In that facet, Brough has indeed done something to suggest he will be a better international half than Long - and that's from a Saints fan.

I can only assume you've not seen much of Sinfield in recent weeks because Leeds haven't been on Sky?

He's been outstanding - his leadership, kicking game, distribution have all been first class.

Will be nowhere near the team on this seasons form!

Well, apart from the fact he's made yes yards, less carries, less offload, less tackle busts and averages less meteres per carry than Morley he's almost as good in attack, yes.

1. Cudjoe
2. McGilvary
3. Welham
4. Briscoe
5. Hall
6. Tomkins
7. Robinson
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Morley
11. Tomkins
12. Westwood
13. O'Loughlin

14. Sinfield (as a hooker)
15. Crabtree
16. Peacock
17. Farrell

Don't agree with picking Brough....

If you're good enough, you're young enough.

Signed

Petero Civoniceva

Why do people keep choosing people who have been proven to be no where near good enough to face the aussies or people who haven't been tested yet and are already past there age limit to try and develop and get better.

Players like: Sinfield, O Loughlin, Westwood, Morley ect shouldn't be playing, yes they are playing well but they arnt good enough to beat the aussies and get better. Young talent is the way forward because the current youngsters which are coming through have beaten the aussies at youth level and they should be tried instead of waiting until they are 25 and playing against the same people they were playing 7 years ago who they beat, but this time the aussies have played decent international rugby.

Tomkins
McGilvray
Bridge/Shenton
Yeaman
Briscoe
McGuire
Brough
Graham
Roby
Morley
Tomkins
Westwood
O'Loughlin

Lunt
Peacock
Mossop
Harrison

Agree with this team for the Exiles game although I would give the left centre berth to Welham (he is in the senior squad after all)

For the 4 Nations, I would add Widdop at 6 and Burgess & Ellis to the second row and move Tomkins and Westwood to the bench and probably add Crabtree for extra size (would have no complaints with Harrison though as he is a quality forward)

Can’t make my mind up between Bridge and Shenton and they will both do a job (I expect Watkins to be in contention at the end of the year too)

Finally, I think the interchange hooker spot will go to Robinson – I like Lunt but I think Robinson adds more options with his ability to cover the halves

4 Nations Team

S Tomkins
McGilvray
Bridge/Shenton
Welham
Briscoe
Widdop
Brough
Graham
Roby
Morley
Burgess
Ellis
O'Loughlin

Robinson
Peacock
J Tomkins
Westwood

For once, I agree with you "Saddened!". I don't think that Tomkins' defence is good enough to be at full back. In attack he is a great player to bring in on the pivot, but his defence isn't up to scratch. His poor tackling has been shown in the WCC, which shows us that he won't be able to defend against the Aussies. And in the SL, in many games his poor technique has led him to be putting in sly little foul play (tackling with the knees first etc.). I think he's a great player in the half back role and that's where we should play him IMO.

Well no, he has done more to show he has a better kicking game than Long. The rest of his game wasnt up to Long's standard, and I think we would agree overall, Long was the better player.

Why this would change at international level i dont know.

If there was a young loose forward, regularly playing SL with the potential to be as good as Sinfield then stick him in. Im not sure who he is but stick him in.

Similarly, who is this young prop with the potential to be as good as Morley but isnt getting a chance?

Anyone have any idea on ticket sales for this game?

But if the likes of Sinfield, O'Loughlin, Morley, and Westwood continue to be among the best players in their positions surley they should still be selected?

Its alright saying give the youngters a chance, but does anybody really believe the likes of Welham, Cudjoe, Watts, Foster, Lee Smith, Joel Tomkins will ever be good enough to beat the Aussies?? A couple of them have been given a chance and have failed, and the likes of Sam T, and Tom Briscoe .

I hope the likes of Lawrence, Charnley, Watkins, Broughton, and Mossop all get the chance to test themselves at test level, but they have to prove themselves over the SL (or NRL) season first.

Picking on form - team picks itself IMO

1. Widdop
2. Briscoe
3. Yeaman
4. Joel Tomkins
5. Cudjoe / Hall
6. Brough
7. Tomkins
8. Graham
9. Sinfield
10. Peacock
11. Harrison / Westwood
12. L. Farrell
13. O'Loughlin
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14. Morley
15. Robinson
16. Mossop
17. Whitehead

While I agree that good defence is a nice addition to a full back’s armoury, in the modern game attack is a far more important consideration – this is one position where we have been well behind the Aussies in recent times and Tomkins can become a very good full back if he plays there internationally for a season or two

How can a 'form' team have Widdop at 1 and Tomkins at 7 when neither has played in those positions all season?

Actually no - I think that overall Brough is better than Long and now he is in a top 4 team (and he has sorted his attitude out somewhat) he is proving it