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| Quote ="maurice"We have a situation probable in 2014 where Bradford, [size=150Cas[/size, Wakey and London would probably not be spending over £1m in the elite comp.'"
Cas Tigers are spending the full SC in 2014.
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| Quote ="brearley84"should of put more of that 1.6m into getting a new ground. Rather than making false promises to get a Super league license'"
Don't think 1.6m would go anywhere near building a new ground never mind part of it. Cas Tigers have spent a small fortune on the Glasshoughton project and it just hasn't happened for us.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Don't think 1.6m would go anywhere near building a new ground never mind part of it. Cas Tigers have spent a small fortune on the Glasshoughton project and it just hasn't happened for us.'"
Cas are a perfect example. They have traditionally much better crowds and have had time in SL and they still struggle to put out anything like a winning side in SL. Switching to 10 or bringing back P+R isn’t going to bring Cas closer to the Leeds and Wigans of this world, it will drag them further away.
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| Quote ="Fully"Cas are spending 1.6m. And are moving significantly forward off the field after several years of underperformance. We have a squad of 28 players, all of which have played in the SL or NRL.
I wish people would stop making poor assumptions and do some research before making claims.'"
Good to hear.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"What you don’t seem to get is that a contraction of SL and this SL 1 and SL 2 you are banging on about doesn’t reduce that gap, it increases it.
And yes Fev, Fax and Leigh will receive an extra 650k in funding, The 4 who are relegated would lose about £800k in funding.
The difference between London/Salford and Bradford in playing strength last year was huge, Fax, Leigh, or Fev on £800k less funding than they were aren’t going to be any closer and if we change to 2 leagues of 10, that’s the level they need to be at. 2 leagues of 10 would mean the team promoted from SL2 would need to be the standard Bradford were last year to stay up. To think any of those teams would be anywhere near that level is laughable.'"
You don't get it at all do you. Does what we have work? If yes, keep it - if not change it. I am in its not working camp - supported by the amount of teams going bust and the huge sponsorship and tv deals coming in.
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| The clubs that are struggling financially need more money from central funding.
The RFL should take less of SKY's money and give more to the SL clubs who provide the matches SKY want to televise.
An extra £300,000 a year to each club would make a difference to those clubs who are financially struggling.
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| Quote ="maurice"You don't get it at all do you. Does what we have work? If yes, keep it - if not change it. I am in its not working camp - supported by the amount of teams going bust and the huge sponsorship and tv deals coming in.'"
Change for changes sake is idiotic.
If the justification for doing something descends to nothing more than the simple fact it is different, you are on to a loser.
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| Whereas doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity, as a great man once said.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"The clubs that are struggling financially need more money from central funding.
The RFL should take less of SKY's money and give more to the SL clubs who provide the matches SKY want to televise.
An extra £300,000 a year to each club would make a difference to those clubs who are financially struggling.'"
I don't know if you're being sarcastic but what you say is exactly what the so called rebel clubs are stating. SL brings in the money so SL should control the money.
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| Quote ="CM Punk"Whereas doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity, as a great man once said.'"
[iI never said half the they say I have on the internet[/i Albert Einstein 1993.
A better physicist than physician
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| Quote ="Fully"Cas are spending 1.6m.[u And are moving significantly forward off the field after several years of underperformance[/u. We have a squad of 28 players, all of which have played in the SL or NRL.
I wish people would stop making poor assumptions and do some research before making claims.'"
Crown paint instead of B&Qs own?
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| SL clubs who dont spend the full salary cap should be allowed to sell the balance of their unspent cap on a year by year basis..This gives the wealthier clubs the chance to retain star players and to bring in Marquee names whilst at the same time giving underspending clubs greater financial security.
Its the star names that draw crowds so being able to retain and recruit more of them gives the game greater commercial appeal which in the long run is in everyones interest.
Setting a salary cap and for it to then be underused by some clubs is just a wasted asset.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"The clubs that are struggling financially need more money from central funding.
The RFL should take less of SKY's money and give more to the SL clubs who provide the matches SKY want to televise.
An extra £300,000 a year to each club would make a difference to those clubs who are financially struggling.'"
You are father Dougal and i claim my £5
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| Quote ="brearley84"should of put more of that 1.6m into getting a new ground. Rather than making false promises to get a Super league license'"
With hindsight, no they really shouldn't have!
Quote ="Father Ted"The clubs that are struggling financially need more money from central funding.
The RFL should take less of SKY's money and give more to the SL clubs who provide the matches SKY want to televise.
An extra £300,000 a year to each club would make a difference to those clubs who are financially struggling.'"
That's £4.2 million based on 14 clubs, £3.9m if we exclude Catalans. Just how much does the RFL retain for its own admin and the rest of the game?
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"With hindsight, no they really shouldn't have!
That's £4.2 million based on 14 clubs, £3.9m if we exclude Catalans. Just how much does the RFL retain for its own admin and the rest of the game?'"
RFL get 1/16th, Championships get 1/16th
If clubs need more, then we can either divvy up the pie between fewer hungry mouths, or make a bigger pie.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"RFL get 1/16th, Championships get 1/16th.'"
So not enough, basically. And they have to pay the match officials out of that, I'd imagine? And marketing, etc.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"If clubs need more, then we can either divvy up the pie between fewer hungry mouths, or make a bigger pie.'"
That's what it comes down to.
Going to 12 would free up roughly £2.4m, or £200k each.
10 would mean £4.8; £480k each. Assuming Sky would pay the same for a smaller competition.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"RFL get 1/16th, Championships get 1/16th
If clubs need more, then we can either divvy up the pie between fewer hungry mouths, or make a bigger pie.'"
I’m looking forwards to your grand plan for a bigger pie as I can’t see the Master Bakers at Sky offering to increase the cost of ingredients.
Oh what a joyous meeting it’ll be when the clubs meet up to conclude the saga.
London in deep, deep trouble, Wakefield limping along after selling most of their crown jewels & now Bradford seemingly following Wakefield’s austerity line.
I still think there is a sting in the tail, and there will be tears before bed time for the Championship clubs
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| IMO sky will pay for a better product with more airtime, an elite 10 should produce better games and gates, a more evenly matched second tier should provide better games and a better atmosphere for TV
Remember they are giving airtime to championship RU in winter!!
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"So not enough, basically. And they have to pay the match officials out of that, I'd imagine? And marketing, etc.'" Not enough to to give the clubs another £300k or something no.
Quote That's what it comes down to.
Going to 12 would free up roughly £2.4m, or £200k each.
10 would mean £4.8; £480k each. Assuming Sky would pay the same for a smaller competition.'" Or we find the money from somewhere else.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"I’m looking forwards to your grand plan for a bigger pie as I can’t see the Master Bakers at Sky offering to increase the cost of ingredients.
Oh what a joyous meeting it’ll be when the clubs meet up to conclude the saga.
London in deep, deep trouble, Wakefield limping along after selling most of their crown jewels & now Bradford seemingly following Wakefield’s austerity line.
I still think there is a sting in the tail, and there will be tears before bed time for the Championship clubs'"
We sell more. That’s the masterplan. If this is the market value of SL, the championships and championship 1, then it is the market value of those products. If we need more money then we need to sell other things aswell. More competitions, more access, different branding opportunities, more content.
There is two years before a big gap opens up at Sky from the champions league. Even if we don’t fill those specific slots whatever does is most likely to be moved from elsewhere in the schedule. There is a massive amount of programming to be filled.
Realistically we need to throw it all in, whatever Sky want, they can have. If they want a 9s comp, they can have it. If they want a new 13s comp, they can have it. If they want cameras in changing rooms, crack on. If they want players miked up go ahead.
Brian Barwick’s book of contacts needs to have a young, hungry, imaginative production company in there with some ideas that Sky want. If Sky want it, they will pay money for it. If we need to sell our souls to get it, then fsck it, we can party in hell with the rockstars.
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| That's more like it smokes bring on commerciality and the laws of the real world, nobody protected and everything is possible if commercially right
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"We sell more. That’s the masterplan. If this is the market value of SL, the championships and championship 1, then it is the market value of those products. If we need more money then we need to sell other things aswell. More competitions, more access, different branding opportunities, more content.
There is two years before a big gap opens up at Sky from the champions league. Even if we don’t fill those specific slots whatever does is most likely to be moved from elsewhere in the schedule. There is a massive amount of programming to be filled.
Realistically we need to throw it all in, whatever Sky want, they can have. If they want a 9s comp, they can have it. If they want a new 13s comp, they can have it. If they want cameras in changing rooms, crack on. If they want players miked up go ahead.
Brian Barwick’s book of contacts needs to have a young, hungry, imaginative production company in there with some ideas that Sky want. If Sky want it, they will pay money for it. If we need to sell our souls to get it, then fsck it, we can party in hell with the rockstars.'"
With those innovative views you’ll never get a gig a Red Hall .
The dinosaurs at the helm don’t have the mental capacity to look outside the box, hence the rumblings of half of the SL clubs.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"I’m looking forwards to your grand plan for a bigger pie as I can’t see the Master Bakers at Sky offering to increase the cost of ingredients.
Oh what a joyous meeting it’ll be when the clubs meet up to conclude the saga.
London in deep, deep trouble, Wakefield limping along after selling most of their crown jewels & now Bradford seemingly following Wakefield’s austerity line.
[uI still think there is a sting in the tail, and there will be tears before bed time for the Championship clubs[/u'"
I think you're right, but we'll only know in a couple of years time when the new structures that are being put in place fail to deliver
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| Quote ="William Eve"Well, if it ain't the [i"I only attend RLWC games or subscribe to Premier Sports if it's half price"[/i merchant from Shuddersfield.
How the hell are you?
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Cas Tigers are spending the full SC in 2014.'"
Your not are you? Your spending 1.6 million the cap is 1.8million isn't it?
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