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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Call me obsessed. Call me bitter. Whatever.
But if the 50/50 decisions weren't [iincessantly[/i going wigans way I'd have nothing to call.
Exhibit A: Incorrect forward pass from greg eden gifts wigan the ball seconds before half time which results in a try.
Exhibit B: A disgraceful video ref decision gifts charnley a try. The ball touches the in goal line as well as the try line yet it unbelievably given as a try.
Exhibit C: An incorrect forward pass call against Dobson gifts wigan the position to score the decisive try.
Don't get me wrong. This isn't wigans fault, they are simply taking advantage of the opportunities they are being wrongfully given. The issue is the incompetence of the refs, and by pure luck wigan seem to be on the right side of it, over and over and over again.
The refs are incompetent. Something must be done. Even with the time to make a decision they are still screwing it up.'"
I have to say I thought the decision on the try was fine.
Also thought one forward passes was ok decision too.
It was only Henmings hysteria that put it in question.
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| The sky commentary was embarrassing last night. The try in the dying seconds of the first half to even up the score was not only thrilling but an exceptional display of skill. Sky practically ignored it because they were too busy thinking up scenarios which would invalidate the try.
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| Quote ="Wadski"Have you forgotten the incorrect Videoref decision which should have given Charnley a try when he managed to ground the ball around Hodgson?'"
50/50 for me, I think the rules say you have to have full control of the ball and I'm not sure he did.
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"The sky commentary was embarrassing last night. The try in the dying seconds of the first half to even up the score was not only thrilling but an exceptional display of skill. Sky practically ignored it because they were too busy thinking up scenarios which would invalidate the try.'"
Yes a good try. But more down to the ball bouncing straight into Charnleys arms, the way the ball didn't bounce for Hall on his own kick chase. As I just stated, a good try, but not all down to skill, quite a lot of luck as well.
I' m not moaning about it 'cos thats our game, but to claim it's all skill is ridiculous.
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| Quote ="Easty"Wow glad Rovers where at full strength to face Wigan.......................Oh wait we had six players missing and lost Coxy after four minutes of the game.'"
I wouldn't bother, just hang fire until the final hooter at Wembley and then give it some.
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| It always pays to have a touch judge from Wigan to help with dubious forward pass calls in an emergency. Charnley may have rewarded his fellow wiganer George Stokes with an introduction to some "nice ladies" after the game.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"50/50 for me, I think the rules say you have to have full control of the ball and I'm not sure he did.'"
I think you need to get up to date on that rule...
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| Quote ="Gallanteer"Yes a good try. But more down to the ball bouncing straight into Charnleys arms, the way the ball didn't bounce for Hall on his own kick chase. As I just stated, a good try, but not all down to skill, quite a lot of luck as well.
I' m not moaning about it 'cos thats our game, but to claim it's all skill is ridiculous.'"
Christ could you say it was a good try any more begrudgingly? I didn't actually say it was all skill, of course, you're just nitpicking.
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| Quote ="Enicomb"I think you need to get up to date on that rule...'"
Indeed, how the hell would you adjudicate "full control". The law states downward pressure must be applied.
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| Superb thread. One of the best ever.
We must be good again.
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| Haven't watched the game yet so can't comment on the decisions but the commentary frothing wasn't only on Sky. Woods and Kear were openly contemptuous re a couple of the VR decisions on 5 live extra.
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| Great thread....
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Indeed, how the hell would you adjudicate "full control". The law states downward pressure must be applied.'"
I put "think" as I've not got the time nor inclination to go through the wording of every rugby league rule but if it is downward pressure then that would be far easier to adjudicate by looking at pictures wouldn't it
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"I put "think" as I've not got the time nor inclination to go through the wording of every rugby league rule but if it is downward pressure then that would be far easier to adjudicate by looking at pictures wouldn't it'"
I realise people don't have the time or inclination to know the laws back to front, but they really should have the wherewithal to disregard everything Stevo says! "Full control" is his myth!
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| Both teams got away with loads of stuff, including messing around at the PTB. However, it was Hull kr's inability to capitalize on Hampshire's knock on near the end and Smith's superb 40/20 that helped Wigan win in the end.
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Quote ="Gallanteer"Yes a good try. But more down to the ball bouncing straight into Charnleys arms, the way the ball didn't bounce for Hall on his own kick chase. As I just stated, a good try, but not all down to skill, quite a lot of luck as well.
I' m not moaning about it 'cos thats our game, but to claim it's all skill is ridiculous.'"
Christ could you say it was a good try any more begrudgingly? I didn't actually say it was all skill, of course, you're just nitpicking.'"
I guess it was an ok try, i guess. Hull kr switched off, the decision put wigan in that position, it was a lucky bounce, everything went in your favour.......
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| Quote ="Gallanteer"More exhibits:
How long does a team warning last? About 10 sets and half time later it seems as Withers gets sin binned.'"
Team warning? It was a disgraceful, cowardly tackle and he'll be lucky to escape a ban.
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| Quote ="Orrell Lad"Team warning? It was a disgraceful, cowardly tackle and he'll be lucky to escape a ban.'"
It was a bad tackle, worth a sin bin, not sure about a ban though.
Still don't agree with the team warning rule, to be sin binned 10 minutes after a warning if a farce IMO.
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| Quote ="GansonTheClown"It was a bad tackle, worth a sin bin, not sure about a ban though.
Still don't agree with the team warning rule, to be sin binned 10 minutes after a warning if a farce IMO.'"
It also means a player who has done nothing wrong all game can be sin binned for a minor offence
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"I realise people don't have the time or inclination to know the laws back to front, but they really should have the wherewithal to disregard everything Stevo says! "Full control" is his myth!
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It's hard enough to understand the refs rules sometimes, I'm not ready to start on Stevo's rules just yet.
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| Quote ="GansonTheClown"It was a bad tackle, worth a sin bin, not sure about a ban though.
Still don't agree with the team warning rule, to be sin binned 10 minutes after a warning if a farce IMO.'"
Pulling the joint beyond normal range of motion were the words Cummins used. Fairly sure that's worthy of a ban seeing as, you know, it can lead to a serious injury and it completely unnecessary. Just another house tactic from KR against a young lad.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"It also means a player who has done nothing wrong all game can be sin binned for a minor offence'"
See Blake Green at St Helens last week.
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| A referee can keep a team warning going for aslong as he wants, especially if it's in the same area time and time again which the team are causing an infringement ie. messing about at the play the ball like KR were all night. Plus, it's very surprising the majority of people aren't questioning Dobson's try with a clear obstruction. Oh, and Charnley's possible try when it was given a knock on. I do agree his try in the corner was a terrible decision but as they say, swings and roundabouts.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Shame then that the angle of the ball was such that the edge nearest the dead all line was lowest. I mean you had actually taken time to draw/find a diagram on the other thread showing your flawed logic which in itself is a little worrying for us and upsetting for you.'"
What's the flaw in the logic? Looked at from above, any ball will be touching a flat surface ONLY at a point along the midline of the ball. The "edge" won't be touching anything. Ever. It can't. There is only a single point, the lowest point, that can ever touch the surface.
If you want to make MORE of the ball touch the surface, then you have to apply pressure, and squash it. Still won't alter which point touched the floor first, though.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Both teams got away with loads of stuff, including messing around at the PTB. However, it was Hull kr's inability to capitalize on Hampshire's knock on near the end and Smith's superb 40/20 that helped Wigan win in the end.'"
The 'superb 40/20' did'nt help Wigan win at all. They knocked-on on the first tackle.
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