Hmm, one blatant lie and one piece of misdirection.

Prime Smokeybollox.

Quote ="bowes"Liar, can you provide any evidence to back up your slanderous and malicious false accusations? I'll give you a clue, going into administration is not folding'" yes, [url=http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/tm_headline=steve-o-8217-connor-takes-over-at-widnes-vikings&method=full&objectid=20050582&siteid=50061-name_page.htmlhere is the evidence of slanderous and malicious and false accusations that happen to be true[/url iI'll give you a clue Widnes went into administration, then their brand and assets were bought by Steve O'connor and transferred to another (new) holding company, the previous company was liquidated Widnes folded, a new company bought their brand and assets and then began to trade, this Widnes club is different to the old one, you can see here, the old company [iWidnes Rugby League Club Ltd[/i was dissolved and never came out of administration wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/2cc37 ... 437#result HTH

Quote ="bowes"Liar, can you provide any evidence to back up your slanderous and malicious false accusations? I'll give you a clue, going into administration is not folding'" yes, [url=http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/tm_headline=steve-o-8217-connor-takes-over-at-widnes-vikings&method=full&objectid=20050582&siteid=50061-name_page.htmlhere is the evidence of slanderous and malicious and false accusations that happen to be true[/url iI'll give you a clue Widnes went into administration, then their brand and assets were bought by Steve O'connor and transferred to another (new) holding company, the previous company was liquidated Widnes folded, a new company bought their brand and assets and then began to trade, this Widnes club is different to the old one, you can see here, the old company [iWidnes Rugby League Club Ltd[/i was dissolved and never came out of administration wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/2cc37 ... 437#result HTH

Quote ="SmokeyTA"yes, [url=http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/tm_headline=steve-o-8217-connor-takes-over-at-widnes-vikings&method=full&objectid=20050582&siteid=50061-name_page.htmlhere is the evidence of slanderous and malicious and false accusations that happen to be true[/url iI'll give you a clue Widnes went into administration, then their brand and assets were bought by Steve O'connor and transferred to another (new) holding company, the previous company was liquidated Widnes folded, a new company bought their brand and assets and then began to trade, this Widnes club is different to the old one, you can see here, the old company [iWidnes Rugby League Club Ltd[/i was dissolved and never came out of administration wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/2cc37 ... 437#result HTH'" You mean Like The London Bronco's ' holding company ' folded , and yet you have argued long and hard that the club did not Hypocrit , again

Quote ="SmokeyTA"yes, [url=http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/tm_headline=steve-o-8217-connor-takes-over-at-widnes-vikings&method=full&objectid=20050582&siteid=50061-name_page.htmlhere is the evidence of slanderous and malicious and false accusations that happen to be true[/url iI'll give you a clue Widnes went into administration, then their brand and assets were bought by Steve O'connor and transferred to another (new) holding company, the previous company was liquidated Widnes folded, a new company bought their brand and assets and then began to trade, this Widnes club is different to the old one, you can see here, the old company [iWidnes Rugby League Club Ltd[/i was dissolved and never came out of administration wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/2cc37 ... 437#result HTH'" You mean Like The London Bronco's ' holding company ' folded , and yet you have argued long and hard that the club did not Hypocrit , again

As good as people were contributing. RL fans did not contribute £55k to the "begging bowls" for Fax.

nope, wrong again Starbug, i havent argued the London Broncos didnt fold, a very similar thing happened with them as happened with Widnes,

Narrowly finishing bottom in your first season is not failing, don't try to compare it to Paris or Crusaders it isn't remotely comparable, they also got good crowds from the start. Read back a few years I consistently supported Catalans' inclusion very strongly in SL as I felt there was the player base for one good Super League club in France as did the majority of people on here. Perpignan is and was a RL heartland area, Toulouse is borderline and Paris isn't, never has been and never will be.


Don't be pathetic by daring to compare Paris and Catalans, it's like comparing Wigan and Harlequins, not remotely the same thing. Toulouse people are against in practice, due to them not even trying to do well in the Championship or French Elite the year before. But far fewer people are against the concept of Toulouse in SL, just everyone but a few idiots like you and dally think 2012 is far too early and realise that long term thinking is the right idea. You just want Toulouse to fold by going up too early rather than being a success, going in on the back of success, like Catalans did.

When Toulouse start consistently coming in the top few of the Championship then provided they are getting crowds of at least 2500 (better 3000-4000) I guarantee I will support their following franchise bid. However, I will be strongly against any bids based on being at the bottom of the Championship, whether they're from Leigh or Toulouse.

People against Paris are just talking common sense as all the evidence suggests it will fail, as all the evidence suggested Crusaders would fail and they almost have and all the evidence suggested PSG would and they did. Toulouse and Paris aren't comparable as one is a realistic long term hope and the other suggests you're away with the fairies when you type it

if more of a fan of toulose than paris

the only thing that gives me hope of paris is the backers behind it

the media it would get would be massive and give RL critial mass

only idiots raise the example of PSG against any new Paris SL club

hence why im not surprised youve raised it.

you said it wasnt expansion.

im picking the expansion club which will add the most to our game

its nice you have those moveable goal posts with you

when someone justifies failure in a heartland club and then uses the same failure against an expansion club then the conclusion is that person is a flat capper

wigan and leeds, dont ignore those dear.


i was hoping you dream up some more imgaginative reasons as to why these failures can also be explained away

so no repeat of PSG or Gateshead, but you are more than happy when widnes, leeds, wigan and bradford can get another chance

absolutely, and one for which richard lewis should be praised for

the revival of RL in france owes much of it to him

and he shouldnt stop with just 1 French SL club

i refer people back to my definition of flatcapper a few pages ago

Why wouldnt it be raised? Only idiots would ignore the failure of PSG last time.

Not when they pull out and the venture fails

7 posts , and not one of them has any semblance of logic or basis of fact

pick any one of these reasons numbskull :

1. hearrtland english RL clubs have failed and been given another chance and succceeded.

2. RL in france is now on a more solid footing with the succesful establishment of Les Catalans

3. the PSG model was bound to fail with all the gate receipts being taken by the ground owner

4. the PSG model involved its players also playing for their LER clubs at the same time. sure disaster

5. the bid by Stade Francaise will be to have all costs covered by them. its a strong bid and clearly not related to PSG

but hey, you stick to that tired record

bit like widnes 2 years ago.

buy hey ho, lets just forget about that because it doesnt help your little crusade

His don't need to move.

He gets things wrong with them concreted in place.

But you must be an idiot if you want to ignore past failures in Paris.

no it isnt, but there was (understandably) a few financial difficulties at the outset, they did get good (but not great) crowds from the start as well however they didnt get championship/sl level crowds when they were in the elite. Perpignan isnt and wasnt an RL heartland area, though it is quite funny to watch the flatcappers now desperate to paint it as such



wow, that is a very interesting leve of pretend indignation right there slugger!



what success did Les Catalans come up on? was it a level of success that they acheived when they didnt exist?


Les Catalans didnt do any of this, why do Toulouse have to?



what evidence? that it failed once? well in that case we should be giving up on a fair few clubs,

your also now judging the crusaders on one year, Paris on a club which existed 15 years ago, and Toulouse on a random set of criteria you have made up in your head. I think that tells us all we need to know about you,

but carry on, i have honestly never seen anyone act so indignant in a long long time, its quite funny to watch

true, however, it isnt a large factor,

Paris bid should be judged on its own merits, which could range from absolutely fantastic to woeful, we dont know, we havent seen it, we havent seen the business plan, the investment, the youth development plans, the marketing plans, the sponsors, the facilities, the negotiations with french tv companies and the effect this would have on those,

If all these are in place we make our decision on that, the previous failure (15 years ago) would be insignificant

We played them in a Cup Winners' match in 1936. Arthur Atkinson ( <--) scored. Sound's pretty heartland to me.

yeah, there was apparently a big war thing a couple years later, a deal between some government guy and some other sport, meant bad things for rugby league in france

also Turin toured in the 50s, does this make Italy a heartland?

im willing to ignore the failure in widnes, wigan, bradford, leeds etc