Not sure this is the right thread but it's been confirmed the two games that Crusaders will play in South Wales will be Harlequins on Good Friday and Bradford on 12th June. Everyone else will visit Wrexham.

he helped establish RL in wales, and now someone else has bought him out

other than the Sky TV grant, the RFL havent wasted a whole lot of money

smart decision to me.

and RL in wales will be stronger next year with 2 pro clubs.

if leighton samuels loses money who cares? the RFL has basically used his money to try expansion.

Newport or Bridgend?

They venues haven't been decided yet.

I thought it was stated as Neath

I wonder if the people that bought season tickets believing all the home fixtures would be in Newport will get a refund

It may be his money but its our sports credibility that has been dragged through the mud again. And what about potential investors for clubs, they might see what happened with Smauels and decide not to bother.

Quote ="Starbug"I thought it was stated as Neath'" I'm not sure. I only looked at - www.crusadersrfl.com/2010results.htm - and it just says "in South Wales". South Wales face Swinton the weekend Bradford visit so it would make sense to play a double header like Quins are doing with London Skolars.

Quote ="Starbug"I thought it was stated as Neath'" I'm not sure. I only looked at - www.crusadersrfl.com/2010results.htm - and it just says "in South Wales". South Wales face Swinton the weekend Bradford visit so it would make sense to play a double header like Quins are doing with London Skolars.

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Hope they dont get another license. Much rather see Widnes, Halifax or Leigh get a place instead of them.

However, I think I would be good for the sport to have a top flight club from Wales, but if they dont get sorted out by the next round of applications then they dont warrant a place.

Widnes will be in before 2012. End of 2010 they will announce a "merger" between Crusaders and Widnes, with SOME games played at Wrexham but most at Widnes. the team will be called summat like Widnes Viking Crusaders in 2011 and their strip and everything else - apart from most of the players who will be ex-Crusaders - will look startlingly like Widnes. the club will be owned by O'Connor, funnily enough. They will apply for and of course be awarded a Franchise for 2012-14, and in 2012 will play all their games at Widnes and will drop the Crusaders suffix.

Widnes will of course be liaising with Huddersfield and Hull for the gen on how it's done, and any remaining Crusaders fans will be making common cause with the hardy faithful from Sheffield and Gateshead.

The day the FL announce the merger, with their complete blessing, will thereafter be known in RL history as "Groundhog Day".

Uncanny

Will it, thanks for that warning.

You bitter flatcap fan of a never be anything Championship club

RLs credibility is stuffed in england because :

1. its failed to expand and is a minor sport
2. most of the clubs in its heartlands are s**t.

For once I actually agree, but we still must search for the next Hull KR or Catalans.

I have a feeling Widnes will be like another Hull KR and Toulouse have the potential to be another Catalans. We will never be massive now as sport in this country though.

yes yes yes, its all spin,

they really are all lying to you and it is all a big con,

nobody can be trusted, they all have nefarious purposes

WTF

we cleared up what was meant by 'up to scratch' a page ago. You even responded to it



why are you confused again?

Surely this is just simply poor execution though?


this is something i have been in favour of for a while. ANY club, whether heartland or expansion should be personally guaranteeing competing, at a minimum Salary Spend for the period of their license.

I agree, but we have to understand, Crusaders are a private company, they have legal rights to keep things private and the RFL have a legal obligation not to release information they dont want to. It would be nice to have the whole RL community fully in possession of the facts, its just simply not possible

Have you seen the Samuels interview with references to players contracts ?

So how many NL/NRC games at Bridgend have you witnessed ?

How many Players spoken to ?

How many people in bridgend asking what you were doing down there in the middle of summer ?


Need I go on ?

=#4000FFNo , it was because he was skint , he'd already put over a million in in 3 years in the NL's

=#FF0000Like a cash deposit

But you dont know the circumstances, you dont know the billion and one things done to get Crusaders here and since then, we dont know the exact circumstances.

In the Hypothetical situation where exactly the same circumstances were around, then yes, it would be silly to go ahead.

However nobody has put forward a club in exact same circumstances.

The problem is you and others want to brand different clubs, in different areas, in different circumstances 'the same' because they havent met some vague and undefined criteria that you feel comfortable with. You want to brand any club that has served an acceptable 'penance' in the lower league as the next Crusaders when the circumstances are likely very very very different.

We saw it all the time. 'why dont the rfl ever learn?' they moan, 'why are they repeating the mistakes of the past' they pretend that Crusaders, PSG, Sheffield and Gateshead all came into SL in the same circumstances, yet they insist Catalans were completely different. For, what is for most people an obvious example of self interest (though for some reason they feel this insulting to note, though not insulting to those who they note it about), they are pretending the defining factor in all those cases (bar Catalans obviously) is that they havent spent 10-15 years in the lower leagues, when it is idiotic to pretend that its not a very very complex situation, with many many defining factors.

Crusaders problems is no more proof that clubs need to serve their time in the lower leagues than their success would have been proof anyone can make a success of super league

which was pretty much a waste of a million in the end really. That money would have been much better spent in SL

no, nothing like a cash deposit. Only an idiot wouldnt see a cash deposit as a massive waste of money. Only an idiot or someone attempting to put unachievable criteria in place stopping expansion clubs ever joining, whilst trying to still pretend to be reasonable about it.

But all the failed ones had one thing in common , not enough money

ive never heard of anything anywhere failing because of too much money. Though i think Monty Brewster got close