Over here we find repeated dummy half running boring.

It may be boring, but for NSW vs Qld it's a key area where they have a big advantage.

as long as SL doesnt go down the wrestling route, it needs to really look at legally slowing down PTBs.

this involves :

1. getting 3 or 4 men into tackles.
2. getting the tackled player on his back
3. other such methods that are within the rules.

if you dont slow learn how to do this all the time, you will never be able to compete with australia. most australian teams would spend as much time on this as on attack.

having a fast game which is pretty for spectators isnt what RL is about. you have to earn the right to attack, you cant just attack all the time. if you try and do that, you will never win.

RL is often an arm wrestle. once you establish dominance in the ruck you can then throw the ball around a bit and try and play pretty.

winning the ruck means slowing it down until your defensive line is fully set.

some of the posts on here about pretty RL would be more applicable to RL 20 years ago than modern day RL.

if you think its just about throwing the ball around, you arent watching the right sport

i havent much much SL this year but have no doubt huddersfield success lies in nathan brown teaching LEGAL methods to slow down PTBs as will as the little things like having a good kick / chase.

What you mentioned, we've already got this season....and yes you will find the weaker teams have improved because they have adopted a good kick and chase....which I wouldn,t say it a good attribute to a successful internation side.

Leeds already have!

And if you think I'm wrong WATCH their "tackling" technique.

Mick McManus would be proud

IMO Leeds are rewarded for their willingness to commit 3 or 4 players into each tackle, making each tackle dominant. Naturally it takes a lot longer for everyone to regain their feet, with the tackled player being the last up. Other then infuriating opposition fans (myself included – Hull

) I don’t think they’re doing a lot wrong.

I take everyones point.

Its not just because im a Saints fan, although like I have accepted it would effect us more than most.

I am getting increasingly annoyed with all the games played.

If the referees where consistent fair enough, but it just isnt clear how long you can lye on now.
Some get penelised and some dont.
Theres a lot of lying on that clearly needs to be penelised and its getting irritating.

The other problem is different SL referees seem to have a slightly different approach to it, which again is ridiculous.

I wouldnt mind knowing in the rules. How long a player is allowed to be held on his back, how long a player is allowed to be held in a dominant tackle etc...
Is it stated in seconds or is it up to the ref???

yes! i agree with the points thing!

www.saintsrlfc.com/news/1929 just read this article from Jon Wilkin he brings up some interesting points, including lying on in the tackle

www.saintsrlfc.com/news/1929 just read this article from Jon Wilkin he brings up some interesting points, including lying on in the tackle

I've written so much about so called "Wrestling".


If you want "wrestling" out of the game you don't even have a basic understanding of what Rugby League requires.

so what im reading into is

We have to create boring monotonous wrestling rugby in the hope that a scrum half and stand-off can unlock a defence, which they were doing fine with when we had quick taps and play of the ball which was actually exciting for the fans and especially the neutrals, turning our game more into the b'stard child of Rugby union to compete with Australia who we play every blue moon. Most people don't care about internationals seeing as we only have 2 and a half decent international teams.

F--- the purists and the morally superior i want fast running, high scoring rugby that punishes the slow witted and defencively inferior teams.

Im not interested in how the Aussies play
They are better than us and always will be at rugby so lets stop trying to follow them and get on with our own game.
I support Warrington so why do i want rugby that doesn't benefit the domestic game.

i don't care what people say i like my rugby fast and hard not slow and regimented.

no what you are saying is i dont understand how RL is played and i just want players to run the ball.

my attitude is why RL in england is always behind australia.

anybody that thinks RL is mainly about attack is ignorant.

any RL side can attack the ball.

its the good sides that can do the more important bits.

It is clear, you can't. The difference is that referees are allowing defenders time to clear the ruck not time to lie on.

Well, its not that clear is it?
Everyone is getting away with it time and time again.

After the last few years, Ive pretty much lost interest in the international games.
This idea of copying the OZ rules I think is a waste of time.
I prefered our domestic game.
Why not stick to what we know, and work around the things we do well.

I hope in the next few years, as youth develpment improves throughout the SL we will start to compete.
IMO that has always been the biggest problem. Not enough top class players to choose from.

It is pretty clear to me. The penalties I've seen given for laying on this season have all been clear cut examples of defenders messing about. In previous seasons it was a lottery resulting in messy play the balls as defenders desperately scrambled to avoid being penalised.



Because we want to be better. To improve skills of players to make the game a better spectacle. To encourage creativity in attacking play.

Have you lost interest in International games because we are clearly getting further behind the top 2 in the world?

Personally I think the SL was getting ridiculous with the penalties for lying on, defenders were not given anytime to clear the ruck, hopefully the interpretation is changing for the better

I think the SL is ridiculous now, everthing is slowmo.

Clearing the Ruck to play the ball....is slow
Arranging and feeding the scrum.....is slow
Having to kick out from the tryline...is slow
Referees making a discision........... is slow

In fact I think the price to see the game should be based on the time the ball is in "active" play. Are we never going to see fast open rugby again.

You don't do ANYTHING well.

We do very well of clutching overseas players "like a rabbit out of a hat"

lets just make tackling illegal in SL .

how exciting would that be ...

Can anyone deny that the lying on in the tackle was at another level last night - saints-wigan

It is plain to see that obvious infringments are just getting let go.
Maybe it was just a p£$% poor night for the refs, the amount of forward passes that where missed etc..

Best have a chat with your slug then...

Holding down at the PTB is nothing new in super league but the refs used to blow up for it.

During the saints and Wigan game last night was typical brian noble tactics.

He did it at the bulls and now as got the pies doing it. Another noble trick he has brought to the Wigan game is stealing yards before playing the ball.

Now he is bringing in the negative tatic of kicking the ball dead to get his defence set.

Noble is one of the reasons our game is getting slower.

Its not only nobby though, Leeds, Huddersfield, Catalans do it on a regular basis. Wigoons were kicking to the dead ball line that often last night it had a flavour of rugby union about it.

McRae (Salford) mentioned it on the radio that they were kicked to death by Brough + Drew.

Wigoons were stealing lots of yards at the play the ball but the referee didn't sting the defense for offside.

There's lots of negatives in the game at the moment, which seem to effect the more skillful sides more.

noble started the slowing the play ball down and stealing yards at the play the ball at the bulls.

Even though kicking the ball dead ain't against the rules it's pretty poor a team like Wigan in a saints-Wigan derby would play so negative.