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| Quote ="gutterfax"Rupert owns the Storm...I think DH's statement and posturing last year were pretty much a statment along the lines that Rupert should bankroll us the same way.....the RFL agreed to "help"....so maybe Rupert is paying some other bills?'"
But as you and I both know it's a spend on marketing , not just picking up the tab for the aftermath butties and coach travel up north ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"But as you and I both know it's a spend on marketing , not just picking up the tab for the aftermath butties and coach travel up north ?'"
Good......the club needs to get itself noticed and if the RFL/Rupert are paying for it all the better!
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| Quote ="Hear Ye!"Arghh!! It's the same argument all the time.. but I must admit it is a very low number of fans.
London has had a pro RL team for about 30 years now....but haven't had a base or team for that long...they've been Fulham, London Crusaders, London Broncos, Harlequins RL.. they've also moved all over London, which I have to inform you (if you live in a bubble and didn't realise) is a rather large city. You can't just jump on one bus and get to the ground from all of London...nor will one train get you there. The commute to and from the game is always going to isolate half the city or more. Unless you drive (and the roads can be a nightmare) it is a long journey that lots of people can't be bothered with...especially when it's cold, hammering with rain and the opposition isn't exactly a title contender.
You then have 3 or 4 professional RU clubs in the city (which have a large fan base of people generally already converted to RU and not willing to give RL a chance), then you have 5 premiership football teams around the city who take up most of the other sport support....you aren't left with much of a willing audience.
No disrespect, but towns/cities like Leigh, Widnes, Halifax etc don't have these barriers to stop match day attendances rising...so, coupled with the long heritage of growing up with a settled team and culture of RL these teams probably do have a higher volume supporters.
RL in London is critical, maybe not everyone can see it....and I admit it is hard to accept when your team is kept out of SL because of the London team...but the number of players taking up and developing in the sport in the South East is massive, as such a pro top tier level team is crucial in order to give them a goal to aim for. In the next 5-10 years it will increase the player pool England/GB can select from and give us the possibility of beating the Aussies (as it clearly hasn't worked for some time with the current production of players of the so called big teams!!)
But, hey that's just my opinion!!'"
This person talks sense.
Mods, ban the bu66er or it'll catch on.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"I'd like to think Uncle Rupert would fund us if and when DH decides he's had enough.....but I somehow doubt it. We need 2,000,000 a year in revenue or 8,000 more fans per game to be self sufficient....without DH we would be gone [uunless SKY propped us up.[/u'"
Been doing that for 15 years haven't they....
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| Quote ="Paddock Punter"About 40 Welsh people'"
There was a few more of us than that! I thought there was more people at the Stoop last Sunday than at last years corresponding televised fixture. The Crusaders fans were in the main stand with the Quinn's fans that day. But what do I know
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| Quote ="Hear Ye!"
Anyway, back to the actual point and post in question....allowed myself to get taken off course by a couple of pointless replies there! ..... London is vital on many levels to RL...Quins may not be the right place, but there isn't room in London to house a team in a good stadium or to build a new one. That's the problem they face....as such whilst staying in one location no more than a decade (at most) they haven't been able to build a community or large following....just a few thousand loyal fans who'll follow all over the city.'"
I always thought that the reason the London club had moved and changed its identity so many times was because it had been an abject failure wherever it went & whatever it was called. Now I discover the reason for its failure is because its had to move so many times.
Well its one way of looking at it I suppose.
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| Quote ="ExiledTiger" an abject failure wherever it went & whatever it was called.'"
Really
I know we had trouble in 2005 (but broke no RFL/SL rules) but over all, other than attracting fans, the club has done pretty well given the various owners who were under the impression they had bought into a golden goose (Branson being one of them).
I mean, in SL terms, we have finished 2nd, then 5th and 6th to qualify for the play-offs, have now seen young Londoners capped for England, signed by Saints, score 4 tries in a match.....THE CLUB IS 100% totally debt free, we play in a rented stadium like the current SL champions do, we have never been relegated....all pretty positive.....but you reckon this is an example of abject failure do you
....if you'd said failure to attract fans, I would have agreed with you. But you didn't....you generalise which is a trait of the flat earth society IMO.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Really
I know we had trouble in 2005 (but broke no RFL/SL rules) but over all, other than attracting fans, the club has done pretty well given the various owners who were under the impression they had bought into a golden goose (Branson being one of them).
I mean, in SL terms, we have finished 2nd, then 5th and 6th to qualify for the play-offs, have now seen young Londoners capped for England, signed by Saints, score 4 tries in a match.....THE CLUB IS 100% totally debt free, we play in a rented stadium like the current SL champions do, we have never been relegated....all pretty positive.....but you reckon this is an example of abject failure do you
....if you'd said failure to attract fans, I would have agreed with you. But you didn't....you generalise which is a trait of the flat earth society IMO.'"
What they have failed to achieve is any prospects of genuine sustainability , something all clubs should have quite high on their agenda , if they are to progress
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| Quote ="Starbug"What they have failed to achieve is any prospects of genuine sustainability , something all clubs should have quite high on their agenda , if they are to progress'"
...that I agree with.
As I have said elsewhere...if it is true that DH will only bankroll us for a further 3 years then we have 38 home games left to get our crowd average from 3,400 to 8,000. If we don't, or if we don't find another benefactor with the patience of a saint and loads of money, then I suspect a licence in 2014's allocation process may be not worth applying for.
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| well if they keep on winning the way do,the attendance might pass 2,000 lol.
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| can't blame the oposition either IMO - when Catalans played Crusaders in only a pre-season friendly over 4500 people turned out !
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| Compared to a Catalans average crowd of over 7000- Which would suggest the opposition may have influenced the crowd-but hey lets not think like that.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"...that I agree with.
As I have said elsewhere...if it is true that DH will only bankroll us for a further 3 years then we have 38 home games left to get our crowd average from 3,400 to 8,000. If we don't, or if we don't find another benefactor with the patience of a saint and loads of money, then I suspect a licence in 2014's allocation process may be not worth applying for.'"
In all seriousness though GF, we all know full well that Fulcrubronquins wil never, EVER be kicked out of SL. If your owner / chairman ever did bail out, the RFL would find some way to secure your future (like they did with Crusaders). Your franchise is safe till the end of time GF. *
* It shouln't be mind - I'd kick you out and Keep Wakefield in, but that's me.
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| Quote ="ExiledTiger"I always thought that the reason the London club had moved and changed its identity so many times was because it had been an abject failure wherever it went & whatever it was called. Now I discover the reason for its failure is because its had to move so many times.
Well its one way of looking at it I suppose.'"
Yea we did move because of failings...but due to costs (fecking high ground and property rental rates in the city) and the competition for spectators that I've previously mentioned..we didn't have enough time to stay put and build a following. I don't think the London team have stayed more than 10 years (and it's probably less) in one location...I can't imagine teams like Castleford, Leeds etc had a 8-10k regular fan base within 10 years of starting the club - and thats in a RL hotbed.
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| Quote ="east stander"Compared to a Catalans average crowd of over 7000- Which would suggest the opposition may have influenced the crowd-but hey lets not think like that.'"
for that game I counted four Crusaders fans btw
for the first SL home game v Wakey I counted 9 Wakey fans which would suggest that from an official crowd of 7170 ish that most of ther fans were Catalan fans with maybe a few dozen neutrals like me thrown in.The crowd limit at the moment is about 8000 due to ground improvements etc.
An even 'semi-successful' Catalans outfit would average between 9000 & 12000 fans no bother.
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| The pattern of support in Super League is that if you win you start attracting more supporters. There are time differentials between teams i.e. normally successful teams increase support faster when they improve after a fall off because they usually have a larger fan base built up over a period of sustained success. Harlequins RL need a period of sustained success to increase their support. They've started well so far and now have a trip to Leeds to further that cause...
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| Quote ="McClennan":1yh99e1rThe pattern of support in Super League is that if you win you start attracting more supporters. There are time differentials between teams i.e. normally successful teams increase support faster when they improve after a fall off because they usually have a larger fan base built up over a period of sustained success. Harlequins RL need a period of sustained success to increase their support. They've started well so far and now have a trip to Leeds to further that cause...'" massively will result in on field success either , not forgetting the salary cap either
In sport Chelsea are a success , in business a massive failure that would have been shut down years ago
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| Quote But as this is sport , there is no coralation between success on the field leading to success on the balance sheet , like most real businesses
Also there is no guarantee that spending [ investing massively will result in on field success either , not forgetting the salary cap either
In sport Chelsea are a success , in business a massive failure that would have been shut down years ago'"
Isnt that the purpose of the SC which Chelsea dont have
Spend 1.6 million with 1,700 fans, spend 1.6 million with 20000 fans you dont think will make the books look a little better-hmmm
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| You guys may need to get yourselves strapped down in preparation for next week.
Friday Night Sky match:
Quins V Huddersfield.
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| Quote ="Wadski"You guys may need to get yourselves strapped down in preparation for next week.
Friday Night Sky match:
Quins V Huddersfield.'"
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