Fortunately our coach thinks like me, pick the best player available for the job and let the RFL worry about quota rulings. Roll on next year when our band of merry journeymen win us some silverware!

Thing is does it matter , there are no more SL quality players to come from the heartlands , we already are at saturation point , thats why we need to expand our horizons

Anyone who thinks England can't beat Australia in a series because Sl clubs have 10 overseas players rather than 5 or 6 out of a squad of 25 needs to give themselves an uppercut!

As has been discussed elsewhere, it's down to circumstances that you only have 3, not choice.

You said it.

Are Hull KR limited to employing players from only one area of the country?

I have no problem accepting that. In fact i have been saying that. It was you who inferred it was Cockayne and Welham who would be keeping Ratu out and not Webster,
So why have you offered Webster another 2 year deal if you are giving Ratu an opportunity to take the centre spot? Are you really keeping on one of your best paid players as a reserve to Mike Ratue?

so this player you are 'bringing through' 'giving a chance to' etc etc is actually 22 and your 3rd choice centre. And all you arguments regarding how it was injury and not Webster that kept Ratu out you are now admitting is nonsense because you accept he had two players ahead of him in the pecking order, both on long/medium term contracts, including an extension this year for Webster.

what did i say that led you to that conclusion?

No, he had a chance to prove himself in training and in games just the same as anyone else. Do Leeds remove players from a winning team who are playing well just to give a chance to unproven English lads?



During this off season and in pre season games he will start at the same level as everyone else. It's up to him to make it impossible for Morgan not to choose him, not for Morgan to select him because he is English. Just like Welham did.








Virtually everything you've said in this thread.

Not at all, but they do give a chance to the young lads. Something Hull KR arent doing because their places are filled with overseas players.

so why has he offered Webster another contract if he believes Ratu is able to not only act as a back but may be a first choice centre? after all you have said you were happy with Cockayne there. Why do you need 5 players for that position all over the age of 22, because you are also claiming you are 'bringing through' 'developing' etc etc Mariano who is 23.

like?

Do Leeds only have 17 players in their SL squad? I told you some time back Smokey, let it go, you're getting nowhere.

no, but we dont have 5 players over the age of 23 covering 2 centre positions and pretend we are 'giving young playres a shot' like Hull Kingston Australia

Is this your attempt to slink away? its usually a much funnier blow up, im disappointed

Only reminding your good self of one of your arguments for expansion

" We have reached the limit of the number of RL athletes the heartlands can produce "

Ah, you're saying Leeds have in their SL squad a youngster to cover every position on the pitch. I'm impressed with the Hull Kingston Australia how long has it taken to steal that from Gutterfax? Well done you.

ill repeat the question to you. Are Hull KR limited to employing players from only one part of the country?

and have you avoided posting the link so you dont embarress Bill as it confirms at i was speaking within the context of the game needing between 80 and 100 new English players to cover two brand new heartland teams and replace the players retiring and the quota falling? Something both you and Bill argued wouldnt really be a problem. He has soon changed his tune hasnt he?

Yes.

Being as it's a SL problem , I couldn't give a stuff either way , just reminding you of previous posts , you going senile an all

Not at all, i stand by what I said, just wanted to make sure we kept the context in mind

How come 30 something johnny foreigners like Buderous, Leuluai and Lauitiiti get a game then?

Oh hang on!!!!

Mike Ratu Leeds Rhinos 2004-2009 (5 years) 6 SL games.

Mike Ratu Hull KR 2010 (1 year) 5 SL games.

I see your point now Smokey, yes it's all very clear.

you missed out Ash Gibson 4 years, 32 SL games
Kallum Watkins 3 Years 21 SL games
+
Mike Ratu 6 SL Games

plus Gibson suffered a year out because of injury, Watkins played 5 of the first 6 games this year before suffering a season ending injury (as well as being 4 years younger than Ratu)

and 2 of the years you have included for Ratu he was only a scholarship player (what with him only being 16 in 2004) and another he spent on loan at Halifax.

Danny Buderus was a current Australian international when signed, He is a Dally M player of the year, NSW Captain (record breaking amount of times no less)
But in back up we have Paul McShane

Ali Lauittiiti an NZ international and the current Dally M second rower of the year when signed.
But in back up we have Chris Clarkson and Jay Pitts

Kylie Lueluai i have already addressed a couple of pages back
but in back up we have Luke Ambler, Burgess and Amor.

So what your saying now is...just because you're English does not guarantee you a start in SL, there are other factors which will determine if you are selected which explains why Gibson and Watkins played far more SL games while Ratu was at Leeds. At last we are in agreement Smokey.



We got there in the end eh?

Yes, they were better than him. That is all.



is your argument in defence of Hull Kingston Australia not giving games to young English players really that its ok because Leeds didnt give games to Mike Ratu because they were giving games to two other better young English players one of whom is four years younger than Ratu?

aww that is bad even for you

so your defence of Hull Kingston Australia not giving games to young English players REALLY IS that its ok because Leeds didnt give games to Mike Ratu because they were giving games to two other better young English players one of whom is four years younger than Ratu

So what your saying now is...just because you're English does not guarantee you a start in SL, there are other factors which will determine if you are selected which explains why Gibson and Watkins played far more SL games while Ratu was at Leeds. At last we are in agreement Smokey. We got there in the end eh?

when did i say being English guarantees you a start in SL? how many claims about what i have said is that you have made and not been able to back up in the last few pages? 3?4?





The only factor that determined why Gibson and Watkins played more games than Ratu when at Leeds was because Watkins and Gibson were/are better young English players than Ratu, that isnt the same at Hull KR

Whats your next defence? Its ok for Hull KR to sign a 24 year old NRL reserve grader at scrum half because Saints played Kyle Eastmond instead of Matty Smith?